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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2008-09-28, 23:49 | Link #903 |
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On the other hand if he chooses to deliberately continue to lead them both on indefinitely after all the trouble they went through to present him with the privilege to make a choice unencumbered by circumstances and obligation, he's just a dick.
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2008-09-29, 00:08 | Link #904 | |||
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One of them is more flawed than the other really, he may be luckier with one over the other.
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2008-09-29, 01:04 | Link #905 | |
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maybe because it is a homage to the anime character that hovered macross to a love story and not only cranky mecha clashing epic fighting anime. not to forget that the path of hikaru, misa and minmay is still untold.
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2008-09-29, 01:15 | Link #907 |
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you should watch more macross series/movies or even read the mangas to understand what lynn minmay iconize.
maybe you'll understand that she still is - and will be - a key person in the macross universe.
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2008-09-29, 02:44 | Link #913 | |
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2008-09-29, 03:22 | Link #914 | |||||
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^ I'll give you a hand magnus.
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Note 1: This is address to all those who still believe Alto saluted both girls. I'd suggest you re-watch the scene and take special note of the Sheryl's screen positioning, Battle Frontier's positioning, Alto positioning, and the direction Ranka is facing in contrast to the screen when Alto salutes. Think about it. Note 2: As a director, you do not blow your budget to painstakingly detail a scene (ep24, Sheryl x Alto... animation, bgm, homage) if it did not signify something. That scene has the best character design animations in the entire show coupled with beautiful background music we've only heard twice (iirc). Take note of the bgm in ep 24 and compare it to the Sheryl x Alto scene in ep 22. Is it significant? Yes, very much so even to non shippers. Quote:
Ep 25 was much too rushed to be able to offer a proper, well done conclusion to the LT. Quote:
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And here you have the galls to try and discredit someone else who ships the same person as you.
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2008-09-29, 03:41 | Link #916 |
et tu, brute?
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if you are saying i as sheryl fans was using my shipping google in seeing all those subtle reference.. then why 2 of my friends who was not even shipping anyone did see those subtle reference?
the ranka fans subtle reference was more "biased" then sheryl's one "The right hand of victory" yea right right hand, because he pick right hand then it is by any means picking ranka over sheryl (which was on the left side of his hand) *sacrasm while sheryl's one : "Salute" (get beaten soo hard that is not even funny) try to think about it, why the image of sheryl also saluting was behind the oh so big ranka, subtle? yes it is kinda like a trap for ranka fans to see that ranka was also saluting alto back.. but no she didn't "Ranka's down looking and "i won't lose" word": also got beaten to death, but not so much, still not much counter from ranka's about this. while i maybe as you said wearing my shipping googles, but heck it was clearer than ranka's one |
2008-09-29, 03:45 | Link #917 | |
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I was not familiar with M7 until I read somewhere about it and after watching some episode and reading how ended I came to realize why this was left unresolved. You don't have to be a sheryl shipper to see that Sheryl should have ended with Alto after episode 21 and everything that happened in episode 22 thru 24. Only Ranka's Fans were in denial about it, you could say that Ranka's fans had more to be rejoiced about how the series ended than sheryl's fans. I still see many Sheryl's fans claiming victory when it is so obvious that nobody won. So to summarize what differentiate me and shipper from either of the two girls. 1. I don't hate Ranka or sheryl. 2. I believe Ranka was ahead of sheryl before episode 21. 3. I believe Sheryl's lead after episode 21 was so large that only a Hax could give us a RankaxAlto ending. 4. I don't see the "subtle" hints that give Sheryl a sure win in episode 25 (they are just homage to the previous series). 5. Alto's purpose was revived after he saved Ranka and also revived Ranka's hopes. 6. Alto has feelings for both girls, both romantic and of different types. 7. Sheryl's disease gave her such unfair advantage over Ranka that the director had to do a reset to be fair to Ranka after he took her out of the competition for so long to further his plot. The pity card + any feelings Alto had for Sheryl was so much. 8. I thought that Sheryl's fan were using immaturity too much to justify their hatred for ranka. Ranka was justified to be a few years behind her peers due to the traumatic events that happened to her, the director even came with dissociative Amnesia as reason for this and Sheryl's fan always shrug her condition. 9. and the Final but most important is that I believe NOBODY won, there are shippers from both sides that are still claiming victory. Edit:I don't know if you misunderstood my previous post but if you go back, I said that I had crowned Sheryl the winner after episode 21. but episode 25 changed that. |
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2008-09-29, 03:48 | Link #918 | |
et tu, brute?
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maybe the dude was thinking.. wait if i can pick both why not |
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2008-09-29, 03:53 | Link #919 | |
et tu, brute?
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i got your point but heck some of the most rabid sheryl fans was even denying that the LT was over on episode 23 while you was ever so sure that it was already ended... its just a matter of opinion anyway, a homage of old series yes, but why its not a subtle reference? you are forcing your opinion to those that think otherwise i'm curious whats in your mind during ranka's action and attitude before saying "i won't lose to you in both sing and love" |
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2008-09-29, 04:00 | Link #920 | |
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About Ranka's challenge to sheryl, it is just challange, something she never did openly and now she is ready to fight regardless of her opponent being sheryl. sheryl's fan take her words as sign that Ranka knows she is losing, but at least she wants to fight to the bitter end. It is not over until Alto-hime sings |
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