2012-07-15, 13:09 | Link #121 | |
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i can't see any way for orochimaru to take over sasuke's body, especially when sasuke has become so powerful
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2012-07-15, 14:49 | Link #122 |
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i think that's mostly correct in that he put those tattoos there so that he could do summonings like how he (and kabuto's help) summoned manda to fight jiraiya. im not entirely sure about all that though. the issue of him having his techniques sealed away gets into a grey area since he still does use techniques, but is limited to certain ones it seems. ones that the parts of his soul that weren't his arms could do i guess. the soul clearly has a human form and he lost the arm parts
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2012-07-15, 15:22 | Link #124 | |
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I think it is a real shame we haven't really seen Oro's full potential in a serious fight, even against Sarutobi he was mostly poking fun at him, making him fight the former hokages until the end. If/when he dies in this manga I hope Kishimoto gives him an epic death such as the way Jiraiya went out. Oro is certainly not a hero, but considering how much of a great villain he is(and for how long he's been around), I think his character deserves a special exit, befitting of someone whos been so influential and iconic in the story. |
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2012-07-16, 01:29 | Link #126 | |
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like Artful Dodger I really want to see an all out orochimaru fight before the end of the series. jiraiya was amazing and orochimaru is pretty much said by jiraiya to be better than him. just the way he's been so awesome without his arm techniques is testament to his greatness. plus he's by far my favorite villain |
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2012-07-16, 10:52 | Link #128 |
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It was stated that Orochimaru would have been the top contender for being appointed the 4th Hokage if not for his ambition and evil. This places him above both Jiraiya and Minato, though one could argue that Minato's relative inexperience was a likely factor at that point in time.
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2012-07-16, 11:09 | Link #129 | ||
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There are actually some hints spread around the story suggesting that Oro was the stronger of the Saanins, with two that really stand out to me: when it was believed that Orochimaru was killed, Tsunade told Jiraiya, "Out of the three of us, who would have thought he would be the one to die first". Then there's most obvious "hint", Sarutobi flat out stating Oro was the most talented of the three, and he had originally chose him to succeed him as Hokage. We've seen a more impressive fight by Jiraiya, but this is not conclusive since Kishimoto always keeps Orochimaru in a weakened state, and wasn't given the same opportunity. I still think they're relatively close though. Quote:
Unlike Naruto, Jiraiya believed that friends like Oro and Sasuke cannot be changed, hence his little speech with Naruto at the hospital after he was defeated by Sasuke. Jiraiya was also defeated by Orochimaru in very similar circumstances and he basically told Naruto to forget the friendship and move on. |
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2012-07-16, 11:15 | Link #130 |
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^also, orochimaru faired much better against 4tail naruto than jiraiya and that was without his arm techniques and near his 3 year body rejection deadline. granted, jiraiya would have wanted to stop naruto without hurting him much, but i dont think orochimaru was exactly going for the kill either. he would have preferred to capture naruto alive i would assume for the kyuubi and experimentation
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2012-07-16, 11:27 | Link #132 | |
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2012-07-16, 11:57 | Link #133 | |
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i remember orochimaru's real body being a grossy huge snake, that sasuke saw when he first defeated him, now what's the thing behind that, looks like he seals his real body under every new body, and even if he is slashed in half ,snakes comes out of his body and combines again
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2012-07-16, 12:49 | Link #135 |
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Orochi was never a sage. Kabuto states that Orochi was searching for the place he needs to go to have sage training, but he never found it. Sure the CS is revealed to be an artificial sage mode, but it's definitely weaker than a real sage. Naruto with just about 2 weeks of sage training became able to fight against Pain. Sasuke in the valley of the end, or the sound 4, sure became stronger than in normal state, but the powerup was never that large as the real thing. Just look at Kabuto in sage mode, that's a huge powerup when you have jutsu that can make an entire cave move as if it was your summon and you can beat the ultimate defense susano with one move.
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2012-07-16, 15:31 | Link #138 | ||
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The reason Kabuto gave for Oro not mastering sage mode was not that he didn't find the location of the Ryuchidou, but a lack of a capable host-body. Quote:
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2012-07-16, 17:27 | Link #139 | |
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But anyway, on page 17 Kabuto clearly states that Orochi could not become a "true sage", so my interpretation is that Orochimaru experimented on artificial sage mode which resulted in the cursed seal that is based on Juugo's DNA. Actually i like the idea of CS being a crappy version of sage mode, since it explains the powerup with absorbing nature chakra instead of having more power coming from nowhere The only issue with the whole thing is that Kishimoto invented this sage mode powerup after Orochimaru's story ended and it just does not fit in without having some minor plot holes. Now Kishi could give the 3rd sage mode to Tsunade, she needs it against Madara, it would not make much sense that she never used it before, but with a good explanation even that could be made ( for example Tsunade's ability was somehow sealed but Dan broke the seal ). But i guess the 3rd sage mode may be reserved for Sasuke, he might need it if Naruto fully masters both sage and kyuubi mode and possibly even combines the two. I answered only to the idea of Orochi being a sage, stating that it doesn't make sense if we look back at the whole story. The problem was that i remembered only the sentence on page 579/12 where Kabuto says that both he and Orochimaru dreamed of going to Ryuchidou, so i assumed that they never found the place before Orochi died. But even if Orochi found the place he was never in sage mode, thus CS is not Orochi's sage mode chakra, it's the result of Orochi's experimentation on his own body, Juugo's body and who knows what else. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-07-16 at 17:47. |
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