The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

SCP is a few books early, as well...

[keri]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

SCP is a few books early, as well...

Ah, so he is. I shall include him whenever I start going "huh?" at the order of the characters from now on. I have trouble remembering which books tell which stories from 6-9, they all take place in such a short time span and get all muddled.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by keri

Eh, I wasn't concerned that the book doesn't feature him so much as that he's on the cover of the third book, when there is no sign of him in the story until the sixth book. Or seventh. I forget which one is which. (It feels a bit like a spoiler, I guess. Or like putting, uhm, Sean Connery on a movie poster for Raiders of the Lost Ark. Or putting Luna Lovegood on a cover illustration for Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - both characters exist in-universe when these stories took place, but they don't actually appear for several installments, and people who haven't got to those installments yet will be completely unfamiliar with the characters. I guess it's kind of like false advertising, maybe?)

Seventh book, but he possibly appears off-screen in the sixth (it's unknown who exactly is in that van at the time).

Don't know if those two are the best examples to use, as they're arguably the two most enjoyable characters in their respective series (with Luna it's not even close). "Fujiwara" is interesting, but I don't know if he's even the most interesting member of the anti-Dan...

A better example might be putting Faramir on the cover of the Fellowship of the Ring poster.

[PastPrime]

I hate to bring up a different subject, but I have been thinking about something. Haruhi's power is to make changes in her world or create a new world. Yuki used that power to create a world where she could have Kyon. While the Anti SOS DAN thinks that Haruhi has the powers that should belong to Sasaki, perhaps they just don't recognize Sasaki's power. Given that the Time line splits right after the meeting between Haruhi and Sasaki, perhaps that is her power in action. To split the Time line so that she can get Kyon in one of them.

[keri]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Seventh book, but he possibly appears off-screen in the sixth (it's unknown who exactly is in that van at the time).

Don't know if those two are the best examples to use, as they're arguably the two most enjoyable characters in their respective series (with Luna it's not even close). "Fujiwara" is interesting, but I don't know if he's even the most interesting member of the anti-Dan...

A better example might be putting Faramir on the cover of the Fellowship of the Ring poster.

Ah, those were the first two series that came to mind that other people would also be familiar with. I've never seen/read the LotR stuff, because just seeing Fellowship out of the corner of my eye while my sister watched it for a religion class bored me to tears. (I'm not a fan of high fantasy, generally.)

The one that did come to mind that would be more appropriate would be an example from the Bloody Jack series, except I'd wager that very very few other people who hang around here would know what I'm talking about.


Also, I did believe that it was "Fujiwara" in the van in volume 6. Was it Kyon who speculated it later, thus giving me the impression that he was there, or was that all me (and maybe also speculation on this board)?

Originally Posted by PastPrime

While the Anti SOS DAN thinks that Haruhi has the powers that should belong to Sasaki, perhaps they just don't recognize Sasaki's power. Given that the Time line splits right after the meeting between Haruhi and Sasaki, perhaps that is her power in action. To split the Time line so that she can get Kyon in one of them.

Ehhh... I don't think that's an example of anyone's power. I think that's just an example of the parallel universe theory in action. Or is it the multiple universe theory? I know this was discussed in another thread, a long while back, about the difference between those terms. Probably the reason we have the two time lines and are shown them both in the book is just to introduce the character who can go move from one to the other. (And also to show that Haruhi > Sasaki or whatever.)

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by keri

Ehhh... I don't think that's an example of anyone's power. I think that's just an example of the parallel universe theory in action. Or is it the multiple universe theory? I know this was discussed in another thread, a long while back, about the difference between those terms. Probably the reason we have the two time lines and are shown them both in the book is just to introduce the character who can go move from one to the other. (And also to show that Haruhi > Sasaki or whatever.)

It's called the "many-worlds interpretation", and given the way the time travelers describe their abilities and their mission, it probably isn't the way the Haruhi universe works.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Given that the Time line splits right after the meeting between Haruhi and Sasaki, perhaps that is her power in action. To split the Time line so that she can get Kyon in one of them.

I'm not thinking that..Sasaki is said to not like love at all, whereas Haruhi doesn't like it but she says she has her thoughts about it (or something..)
But, I do agree that It could be splitting the time line, but not for Kyon.

[orangejuicetang]

Despite the fact that I understand why, the shutting down of Baka-tsuki's translations still depresses me, even though I brought the books. Like somebody else mentioned earlier, I probably wouldn't have brought the books if I didn't like what I read over at baka-tsuki so much. And also, it makes me slightly sad, because I'm remember reading it at baka-tsuki when Haruhi was their only project and was still unfinished. But like I said, I understand their reasons.

As for why volume 10 hasn't come out yet, I came up with a conspiracy theory that the author actually died and Kadowa's just hiding the news. Then that thought depressed me so much that I tried to forget about it.

[FDW]

Originally Posted by orangejuicetang

Despite the fact that I understand why, the shutting down of Baka-tsuki's translations still depresses me, even though I brought the books. Like somebody else mentioned earlier, I probably wouldn't have brought the books if I didn't like what I read over at baka-tsuki so much. And also, it makes me slightly sad, because I'm remember reading it at baka-tsuki when Haruhi was their only project and was still unfinished. But like I said, I understand their reasons.

As for why volume 10 hasn't come out yet, I came up with a conspiracy theory that the author actually died and Kadowa's just hiding the news. Then that thought depressed me so much that I tried to forget about it.

One idea that I came up with about Volume 10 is that it was originally the second half of the 9th book, but Kadokawa forced him to split up the book, (I believe this was mentioned here before) Now what was going to become the 10 book I believe consisted of the last 30-40% of book 9, and the author was trying and failing to come up with ways to expand the book, so the publisher gave him more time. However writers block proved to big of an enemy for Tanigawa, so he gave up, and started pursuing other ideas, (there are other works he's done, I've seen one on Mangafox, I can say that It's quite unusual) now sometime in the last few months he finally started coming back to the series, (probably out of a level of fan and editorial pressure) now this makes me believe this, book 10 will probably not the end the series, but I doubt it will be what people will expect.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by FDW

One idea that I came up with about Volume 10 is that it was originally the second half of the 9th book, but Kadokawa forced him to split up the book, (I believe this was mentioned here before) Now what was going to become the 10 book I believe consisted of the last 30-40% of book 9, and the author was trying and failing to come up with ways to expand the book, so the publisher gave him more time. However writers block proved to big of an enemy for Tanigawa, so he gave up, and started pursuing other ideas, (there are other works he's done, I've seen one on Mangafox, I can say that It's quite unusual) now sometime in the last few months he finally started coming back to the series, (probably out of a level of fan and editorial pressure) now this makes me believe this, book 10 will probably not the end the series, but I doubt it will be what people will expect.

There are conspiracy theories, both in and out of Haruhi's world

It has to be hard to keep coming up with stories for Haruhi, given the high standards Tanigawa has set for himself. With Maths equations, philosophy concepts and even murder mysteries, he sure has his hands full (though he's kinda like a geek about these things). The Anti-SOS Brigade expanded more possibilities for him to write about, and Haruhi and gang are just in their 2nd year of school (3rd for Mikuru), so I'm not really sure if failure to expand the book is something that would trouble him...

[Khu]

I think he got overwhelmed by the pairings.

*nod*

[FDW]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

There are conspiracy theories, both in and out of Haruhi's world

It has to be hard to keep coming up with stories for Haruhi, given the high standards Tanigawa has set for himself. With Maths equations, philosophy concepts and even murder mysteries, he sure has his hands full (though he's kinda like a geek about these things). The Anti-SOS Brigade expanded more possibilities for him to write about, and Haruhi and gang are just in their 2nd year of school (3rd for Mikuru), so I'm not really sure if failure to expand the book is something that would trouble him...

No I agree about what you said, expanding the story would be no problem for Tanigawa, but at same time It's very possible to be overwhelmed by the sheer number of choices you have, and I think that's what happened in 2007, the editors didn't like the path he had chosen and he was forced to choose a new one, and thus ended up coming up blank. (It happens to writers all time, and this is speaking from personal experience) And on another note, I wonder if Tanigawa ended up recycling some of his ideas for the 10th book into his other works?

[ultimatemegax]

So hey, the novels are out on sale in Japan. Here's a picture:

[Tabasco]

That is neat. I wasn't sure how well that would work in practice, but I do like it.

As for the delay, is it not possible that he just took a sabbatical from the whole thing as mentioned? If I remember correctly, he's been doing Haruhi nonstop for years, and that doesn't count the work put in on the anime. It would make more sense than suggesting some sort of editorial or marketing conspiracy to do...something. What exactly the delay was supposed to accomplish I never quite got.

[B2-Lancer]

Greetings!

This is a nice place. Thanks for running a clean ship!

Does the anime or manga ever hint that Nagato is actually an "Avatar" of the Data Entity instead of an actual self-possessed "being"?

Thanks!

[SgtHydra]

Originally Posted by B2-Lancer

Greetings!

This is a nice place. Thanks for running a clean ship!

Does the anime or manga ever hint that Nagato is actually an "Avatar" of the Data Entity instead of an actual self-possessed "being"?

Thanks!

In a sense, she is both.

Nagato is an "avatar" in the sense that she is the Data Entity's eyes, ears, and feet on the ground, and while she is supposed to follow any and all orders/commands given to her, she does possess free will.

A good part of the series is about that free will becoming more and more expressed.

[ZODDGUTS]

Originally Posted by orangejuicetang

As for why volume 10 hasn't come out yet, I came up with a conspiracy theory that the author actually died and Kadowa's just hiding the news. Then that thought depressed me so much that I tried to forget about it.

So I guess he's ghost is somehow writing the story of this manga:


http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=46871

Pretty good mystery murder series that also has

Spoiler for @_@:

hawt incest

[FDW]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

So I guess he's ghost is somehow writing the story of this manga:


http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=46871

Pretty good mystery murder series that also has

Spoiler for @_@:

hawt incest

Seconded, I like the all the weird mindfuck flying around.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by FDW

Seconded, I like the all the weird mindfuck flying around.

Well, we know the man can write. Gives me hopes for all my twisted theories for Volume 10. Fufufufufu...

[bhl88]

The only possible girl I know is... (the new member)