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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2010-07-12, 16:43 | Link #183 |
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Just because Tobi ordered some of the Akatsuki(sp) members around, doesn't mean they knew his true intentions. Pain might only have followed Tobi because he lied, and made him believe his vision of the future matches his. This would explain why Tobi revealed his big plot to control the Ninja world after 80 percent of the Akatsuki were killed off. |
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And Obito, and possibly Madara are red herrings as well. In fact, it is because Danzou was such a red herring that I am partially convinced that Obito will be as well (there was plenty of evidence to support Danzou=Tobi, but it was all swept to the side in only a few chapters; Obito, and possibly Madara, will very conceivably follow the same path)... That was pretty silly, wasn't it? It certainly didn't help that both Minato and Kushina popped up inside Naruto's Tummy Seal... |
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I assume Tobi/Madara controlled Nagato in the same way that he's controlling Sasuke. It's not really control by force, but more of a manipulation. What Tobi could offer Pain was knowledge about the Sage of the Six Paths and a means for Pain to achieve his goals. There was a tablet left behind by the sage that held the key to unlocking the ultimate eye power (IIRC) and it required the Sharingan and the Rinnegan to decipher it. Tobi needed Nagato for a couple of other purposes as well. One purpose was to sync with Gedo Mazo - the statue used to seal the bijuu. A second purpose was for Nagato to save Rinne Tensei (the revival justu) for him.
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But, whatever. We're not convincing each other of anything, and were just starting to repeat ourselves. So, I'll bow out of the discussion before things get worse (next we'll be talking about the similarity of Obito and Tobi's hair j/k). |
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2010-07-12, 21:42 | Link #188 | ||
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I'm saying it doesn't follow that someone has the same height 16 years ago unless you make an assumption about age.
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2010-07-13, 05:01 | Link #189 |
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I think its impossible for obito wanting destruction for konoha..... I still do believe that the tobi we saw in chapter 501 is indeed madara.....
but the Tobi in the present is not madara..... I do think that Tobi is the Ten Tails..... because tobi is always saying he wants to be "Complete" Tobi's words on chapter 501 "Dont you know how long I have waited for this moment?" - this confirms that the Tobi we saw on chapter 501 is definitely Madara.... since Tobi wants Moon eye plan now, this just corrected Kakashi's words... "Im not sure sure... I doubt its someone else" since Madara do not want moon eye plan but a revenge on konoha
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When/where was it ever stated that Madara wasn't interested in the Moon's Eye Plan? Or that he has given up on his hopes for revenge on Konoha? Madara has done a lot to mess with Konoha so far in the story. Since Madara is the evil mastermind behind Akatsuki, all of the trouble they caused Konoha can be credited to Madara. (Even Pain's destruction of the village)
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If tobi was Madara now... konoha would be totally destroyed by now... by all the bijuu he had... plus the akatsuki members.... but it would seem that he doesnt want revenge now..... which makes kakashi's words true.... "considering his plan... I think its someone else"
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Kakashi never says that. His exact words from the chapter you are referring to: "but considering his plan, i doubt it could be anyone else". Meaning he doubts it could be anyone else besides Madara. Go read the page again.. |
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but still... kakashi is still indicating here that the masked guy might not be Madara since Madara's only Goal was to crush konoha.... so Tobi might really be someone else since the Moon eye plan isnt what's Madara all about..
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Where did anyone ever say that Madara isn't all about the Moon Eye plan? Where did anyone say that Madara's only goal was to destroy Konoha? Do you even realize that the Moon's Eye plan effects Konoha as well? It enslaves everyone which would finally let him be the Hokage like he wanted to way back when he was founding the village.
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here Doubt, a status between belief and disbelief, involves uncertainty or distrust or lack of sureness of an alleged fact, an action, a motive, or a decision. - which means Kakashi is not 100% sure that Tobi is Madara Quote:
actually It was Pain's decision to destroy konoha since he wants konoha to learn more about pain.... here you go and read it again... Spoiler for long:
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"To take the kyubi away from you and destroy konoha" try to read it Spoiler for 501:
he didnt say that he wants the moon eye plan to kushina..., which makes Madara's goal was only to destroy konoha.... but the Tobi we saw today.... he said it to the five kages that he wants the moon eye plan.... but why not kushina knowing that kushina might die in extracting the kyubi??? ALSO... why bothered trying to destroy konoha on chapter 501 when he can start collecting bijuus now??? you did said that the Moon eye plan effects Konoha as well right??
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You said Kakashi indicated it might be someone else considering his plan, but that's just wrong. Quote:
When I say "I doubt I'll be making it to the meeting in time due to traffic holdup" I'm not saying "Due to traffic holdup I might make it in time."
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2010-07-15, 10:40 | Link #198 |
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@ Yakumo
You're not understanding the notion of the sentence. Kakashi is saying he believes it is Madara; when he says "i doubt it could be anyone else" it means he doubts it can be anyone else besides Madara, not that he doubts Madara is Tobi. As far as Madara's goal of taking control of Konaha, along with the rest of the Ninja world as opposed to destroying it, there's a simple answer. He already tried just destroying Konaha, using the nine-tailed fox, and as you know that didn't turn out great for him. It's only logical he switches up his game and tries something else. Anyway, most of these concepts should be taken with a grain of salt. As i read through 500+ chapters of Naruto, i anticipated the "big reveals" many chapters before it happened. There's nothing hidden, no clues for you to find, nothing complicated, and not intended to be read with a mature mindset. It's just not that kind of show, lol. An example for you would be "the mystery of Pain". If you remember how dramatically they emphasized the big secret about his abilities, but it was blatantly obvious. Even when Jiraiya died procuring all that info on Pain, and sending the "the real one is not among them" message to Naruto, everyone decided to be an idiot and remain oblivious. Even Shikamaru dropped down to a numb-skull level, apparently having it spelled out for them wasn't enough. This whole Tobi thing will turn out exactly like that, just go with the most obvious answer and it'll probably be right. Last edited by madv2c; 2010-07-15 at 10:50. |
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