2012-01-01, 23:17 | Link #26821 | ||
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Whether Yasu would actually do all that gory stuff like in Our Confessions is questionable. But it is shown s/he is at least pretty crazy, proficient with guns and intends to kill people, so s/he might as well do it. Many people feel the motives are flimsy, I somewhat agree. RK07 says it's because we don't know love, I'll just believe him. XD Whether other people committed murders or not doesn't absolve Yasu of guilt. Many things are pointing towards an additional culprit though, such as the existence of the two survivors and Ange's reaction to seeing the truth. I can't quite tell the truth though... Quote:
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2012-01-01, 23:28 | Link #26822 | ||
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2012-01-01, 23:57 | Link #26823 | ||
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"I believe in fantasies invisible to me ... To the door of mystery and dignity... " Hmmm... :3 Quote:
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure of this idea of a particular diagnosis in Ryukishi's head as I'm sure something would've been mentioned by now. In addition, a lot of what I read spoke of psychological trauma and not necessarily of physical trauma. However, there was one particular thing that would make it lean towards DID. If Beatrice and Shannon's handwriting differs, perhaps that's a clue Ryukishi put in there some how. I remember the discussion about Beatrice's handwriting in Maria's diary and the bottled letters. There was only one mention, IIRC, regarding Shannon taking dictation for Kinzo's will in... EP2, I think? (But we never get to see it, of course, as it was a fantasy scene.) |
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2012-01-01, 23:59 | Link #26824 | |
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2012-01-02, 02:15 | Link #26825 |
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I was wondering, is there a flowchart/ timeline of events happened in Umineko? Some kind of visual guide that makes it easier to digest for simpletons like me (or those who are more "visual persons").
I'm tempted to build one, if there isn't already one(s). ^^ |
2012-01-02, 02:22 | Link #26826 |
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Oliver constructed an Umineko timeline which is now only accurate up to EP6, I believe.
http://umineko.renai.ru/ We haven't seen Oliver around for awhile though, but his website is still up. 8) |
2012-01-02, 02:39 | Link #26827 |
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It was nice to have a... second (third?) confirmation on the howdunnits and whodunnit.
As for the whydunnit, this uhhh... TIPs(?) once again reaffirmed Beatice's main motivation was to place a mystery before Battler, though that was Piece-Beato's motivation, which in turn was a Meta-Motive as well. So, we still get nothing for Rokkenjima Prime, but well, I guess by now it should be clear that trying to find out what happened there is a fool's errand.
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2012-01-02, 04:29 | Link #26829 |
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I think Yasu's condition is too fictional to be pint point as any mental disorder. Heck, I'm not even sure how is Beatrice relationship to Shanon and Kanon's personas. Do Yasu's persona have same memories? Do they consider themselves as seperate people or just a complicated role-playing game to hide the frustration of a teenager with gender issues?
Personally I'm not interested one bit in Yasu anymore. Fictional or not, I think it's implied quite clear that she intend to at least blow up the island if nobody reaches the solution. Yes, the Higurashi culprit is crazy and all, but we are not supposed to sympathize to that person. And her plan, well, I guess it made no sense at all... |
2012-01-02, 05:10 | Link #26831 | |
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The whole point of Miyo's backstory was to make her sympathetic. The world isn't some black and white place.
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2012-01-02, 05:40 | Link #26832 | |
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But at any rate, there's no need to look for some fancy disorder in Yasu's case. If we take the scene in the chapel at face value then that's clearly schizophrenia. Even without that she fits the minimum required criteria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia -delusions -hallucinations -social disfunction -persistent for more than six months Schizophrenia is always your best bet when someone shows loss of contact with reality. And the serious belief to be different persons inside one body is basically that, especially if someone then spends her days talking to her other selfs. If you think schizophrenia is too much for Yasu's case then there's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychot...wise_specified Which I guess that fits because Ryuukishi isn't really an expert on the field to make a disorder match with anything known. But the point here is that Yasu's disorder is generally reconductible to a form a psychosis.
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2012-01-02, 05:55 | Link #26833 | |
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2012-01-02, 06:05 | Link #26834 |
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I think it went more like this.
Battler says she hasn't committed any sins in "our world" (Btw Usagi, doesn't this confirm that there is indeed a Rokkenjima Prime? At least the concept exists) with the probable meaning: "you didn't kill anyone" Beatrice answers that it's not true, and I believe she thinks about a different sin than killing. And this could be anything from lying to being the indirect cause of the tragedy.
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2012-01-02, 07:02 | Link #26836 |
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But that would sound quite dickish from Battler.
One thing is if he's implying: "you only killed people in fantasy, never in the real world". That's quite a valid argument. Another thing is if he's saying that she only killed people in equally real (or unreal) worlds. That's if they said: Beatrice: I have killed countless people all around the world! Battler: But you never killed anyone in this country! That has a completely different ring to it.
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2012-01-02, 09:09 | Link #26837 | |
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It's rather like being a blind bank robber. I suppose it's possible, but it certainly would be a whole lot easier for a person who can see. And when a bank is robbed in a swift and efficient manner, we would generally assume the person doing it could see. I suppose it's possible real-Yasu was schizophrenic and Beatrice wasn't, but that just makes it increasingly unlikely she'd be the "real" criminal. Quote:
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It's the difference between Battler realizing that the only thing he cared about (who "really" did it) didn't involve Beatrice at all and forgiving her, and realizing that the only thing he cared about doesn't even exist, which still makes Beatrice a murderer and tormenter of his (fictional, but essentially equally valid) family.
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2012-01-02, 14:17 | Link #26840 | |
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Also, it looks like we may getting a new series from Ryukishi next... errrr... I mean this year, August. (As per Klashkari's post in the Translation thread.) With his foray into making EP8 slightly more interactive, I would bet he's going to try to expand in this area with his next series. Somehow... |
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