2004-01-19, 15:40 | Link #41 | ||
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That's not my point, and I won't be drawn into a pointless discussion about which country speaks what language. Replace America with your English-speaking country of choice, for all I care.
My point is that if I call a certain anime series "hentai," people know what I'm talking about regardless if it's grammatically correct in Japanese. As I'm not speaking to a Japanese-language-oriented audience, I really couldn't care less how accurate my word choice is in terms of noun/adjective agreement. It may be more "true" to the Japanese language to call anything resembling ecchi or hentai "ero," but I will reach a wider audience by labeling it a certain way. So, in my perspective, until the term ero becomes popular to the point where I don't see the question "wtf does ero mean?" I won't consider it wrong to call a series hentai. Quote:
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2004-01-19, 17:35 | Link #42 | |
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Well about using foreigner i never said nothing and if i where to explain something i would not say.......the non-mexican bla bla.I would just reffer as...other ppl, or something like that, not to always pick on that same term like saying.....NON-MEXICAN which would kinda sound like " your not mexican you cant understand you idiot, only mexicans can undertand" thats what that NON-JAPANESE may sound to many ppl here, well KJ i know the AMERCIAN CULTURE and JAPANESE is REALLY different, but Japanese manners, and MOE are not so different than in MEXICO, what you call MOE, in AMERICA they call MANNERS , in Mexico i dont have a word but its something we all KNOW and now how to handle, even if it may be painful for us, as long as the other person doesnt suffer.Its better one to suffer than 2. I never told you anything about your MOE thingy, but just to let you know.....your not the only country that was thought that since childhood, and its not even tought, you must find it on your OWN, not all Mexicans will have that MOE you discribe such as not ALL Japanese feel that...I have a friend thats Japanese, and he is not LIKE you at ALL, you have good manners, your well respected from my point of view, and you love your culture.My friend does give a shit about his country, doesnt care about nothing that has to do with Japanese culture, he hates it. Not everyone is the same in Japan or Mexico. <------That was to just say about your MOE which you claimed a while ago that ALL japanese use that. As for saying about your.......NON-Japanese. its ok, but i told you once and i will tell you again, to becareful with your words at times. "I have yet to understand the NON-JAPANESE PPL" things like that, we are all the same, just where raised in a whole different way. PS....I still remember you once wrote in Japanese....... I HATE FUCKING FOREIGNERS THEY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING BUT THEY DONT KNOW SHIT" even if you write in Japanese i will find what it is. You dont see me writing in Spanish to cuss ppl out here.Or i can even use a whole different dialect from the Mexican Indigena tribe (shit i beaerly know a few words but i can come up with something ) LOL ok ok, well i am a bit too so nevermind me i had too much coffee this morning, either way, lets all just END the ERO vs HENTAI ECCHI. I will replace my word of HENTAI to ERO in a way to discribe an action/thing. But will use Ecchi still ^_^ love that word! |
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2004-01-19, 17:44 | Link #43 | |
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Well it is not really an preference, more like established dialect. "Anime" is old and commonly used, and since it came first it was cool. "Ero" is kind of new, and the established words were more cool since they sounds foreign. When you to other part of Japan, do you tell people to correct their dialect to match yours? It's fine to tell people about the current trend in Japan but you don't need to repeat it all the time. Also you should consider the usage of those words. Anime fans in the English world are more comfortable saying "hentai" or "h-game" in public than saying "ero" or "sex-game", since it is far less likely to make other people to give you funny looks. |
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2004-01-19, 18:35 | Link #44 | |
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I for one dont want to be look upon as *weird otaku pervert* by the Japanese society for using the term *HENTAI*. Since, I take things seriously when it comes to things like this. I could imagine their horrified faces right now. LOL! Well everybody has their own opinions, and they should do what they like. Dont mind my other post, rambling about ERO vs. HENTAI. Nonetheless, I will continue using *ECCHI* for anime such as Futari Ecchi and others like it, unless another updated sexy word is used. |
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2004-01-19, 19:57 | Link #46 | |
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For example, the word anime is a Japanese word for animation. When it migrated over to Japanese it, for the most part, kept its original meaning. However, the word managed to migrate back into English as a different word, specifically meaning "Japanese Animation." This may not be the actual definition of anime, but by usage, that is what the word means in English. If you go into a video store and ask for the anime section, 99 times out of 100 they will point out the Japanese animation section, not the other animated section filled with Disney, etc., and the other 1 time out of 100 the person is new and just doesn't know where the right section is. Thus, by the actual usage of the word, anime means Japanese animation, at least in English. I believe I read somewhere that this is how they decide how to put new words in the dictionary. If you apply the same reasoning, while most English speakers might not know what hentai means, a vast majority of *edit* English speaking */edit* people who watch anime will associate it with what you refer to as ero. This has no reflection on whether they are using the Japanese word hentai correctly or incorrectly, or whether the word hentai was picked up as a mistaken reference to h-anime or h-games. It just means that, by word usage, the word hentai refers to (in English) the same things that ero refers to (in Japanese). With that being said, I have no problem with the term ero. It kind of sounds cool, heh. Something to set one apart from the other uneducated anime fans. ;) As an aside, I love the insight that kj1980 brings to this board, with respect to his cultural knowledge, and his well thought out posts. I hope he won't be put off from posting here due to the hostility I've seen in response to some of his posts, in this thread and others. Last edited by durrem; 2004-01-19 at 21:14. |
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2004-01-19, 21:54 | Link #47 |
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words of wisdom. I think many people might get irritated by someone continually pointing to them what is wrong or right in japanese when they are communicating in english. I live in Canada and there are a lot of people from all over the world who don't speak english very well. You don't correct them unless they ask you to.
I don't mind kj1980 (although one time he got pissed off and said something in kanji which made me chuckle), he/she always has some interesting inside scoop on something most people don't know about. The hostility comes from the back and forth on what's right and wrong, when stating it and leaving it like that will do just fine. |
2004-01-20, 02:31 | Link #48 | |
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2004-01-20, 11:35 | Link #49 |
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The problem here stems from the fact that most people think H (pronounced Ecchi) is short for hentai, where as this isn't true. H, or Ecchi, is a soft term for sex or sexual. Very different from Hentai, which means sick owr wierd. So the term H-Anime *does* work, because it more or less means sexual anime, or adult anime, where as Hentai Anime means sick or deranged anime. You can't get your terms mixed up...
Because the web page "H does not mean hentai" is down, I will quote the article for people here. Basically, use H or Ero instead of Hentai... Hentai is a very derogatory term.
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2004-01-20, 13:09 | Link #50 |
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I agree with everything kj has said in this thread, and i'm not even Japanese. I think the misuse of the japanese language over here in the form of using words like hentai and baka, is pretty damn silly and will hopefully be fazed out in the next decade or so.
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2004-01-20, 15:47 | Link #53 | |
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i think im over baka, since its like COW in spanish so doesnt really mean much and AHO = garlic in spanish......damm why all the good words mean something else in spanish? i would sound stupid and wierd calling a mexican dude.......YOU BAKA AHO!!! They would be like? WTF ? and walk away ignoring me LOL |
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2004-01-21, 11:32 | Link #55 |
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I don't think people should be actively discouraged from using the word "hentai". The word is quite commonly used in western languages and I'd say it has aquired a meaning of it's own.
That "hentai" means different things in japanese and in english might be annoying for speakers of both languages but the majority of ppl simply do not care. There has been some references to spanish in this thread so I'll use the word "gringo" as an example. I guess most non-hispanics would translate it into "white american" and read alot of racial slur into it. The real meaning of the word seems to be like "generally foreign". My point is words changinng meaning is totally normal and nothing to get upset over. |
2004-01-21, 14:03 | Link #56 | |
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AHH, your wrong in GRINGO my friend, wanna get into some history? well we call GRINGO only to the AMERCIAN, no one else, not cadinians(well sometimes and even the british) that word is translated as WHITE MAN for us. Back in the times when the war between US and Mexico, well the mexican soldiers didnt know SHIT about english, Americans had GREEN unifors, so the mexicans would say.... " GREEN GO" as of.......GET OUT OF HERE. that is why that word exist, so now in days we adapted it in a non offensive way wich just means, WHITE MAN or simply AMERICAN. |
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2004-01-21, 16:16 | Link #58 | |
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We mostly only call Gringo to white ppl, but if we know there from USA, even if there white/black we call them gringo, nos asians though, even if there from USA |
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2004-01-21, 20:34 | Link #60 | |
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Sorry to everyone reading this. Straying off quite badly here...
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And trust me, when you use the word "gringo" you're using the english version. Go to parts of the carribean or south/central america where you can't get around without knowing at least some spanish (so much of mexico wont count) and you'll hear people calling you gringo simply for being foreign. Which brings me back to my original point. Even if two words are the same in two languages they might have different meanings. I'll continue to use the word "hentai" for what it means in english. "Ero" just sounds totally lame in english so as long as we use english on this forum I'll stay away from it. |
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