The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 3]

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Jesus christ.

Yeah, that's probably EXACTLY what she did.

And probably started acting exactly like Ryoko too.

Jeez that's terrifying.

It only means that Yuki's Farseer training failed her. I prefer Warlocks myself, frankly, as that Path is pretty much a dead end for the Children of Ulthanash Shelwe.

[baltakatei]

I can imagine Ryoko popping into Yuki's dreams, taunting her for stubbornly allowing the universe to be reset again and again... Telling her that despite Suzumiya's powers, inordinate amounts of energy of the universe are being consumed in order to restore its previous state from entropic decay.

[Arrnea]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

I can imagine Ryoko popping into Yuki's dreams, taunting her for stubbornly allowing the universe to be reset again and again... Telling her that despite Suzumiya's powers, inordinate amounts of energy of the universe are being consumed in order to restore its previous state from entropic decay.

Now that would be scary in animation, if done correctly.

Also, Yuki the Yandere?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Hmmm, so is it just me or was it more that the character looked entirely different (what's with Buff Kyon) and that the lens flare was off the charts insane rather than that the animation quality was driven through the roof. Granted there were a lot of random shots that looked better than ones in older episodes, but I see this more as a return to Kyoani's usual form for better and worse and not especially praise worthy. To me that would be akin to saying, "great job Kyoani, you are finally making use of the animation style you usually use". Personally I'll just say that I'm not a huge fan of the lense flares and orange tinted skies and think they're a little overdone.

What I did like though was how different a tone this episode struck from the previous one, despite containing mostly similar events. You'll note that while last episode the music was constant and mostly upbeat, this episode had almost no music except for that one sombre piano piece, thus creating a much less upbeat tone and one that seemed to hint at the worries of the cast over an endless summer. I also liked the use of the colourless background at the end as if to symbolize the idea that Kyon sees his currently reality as devoid of meaning and hence colour. Very surprising to see something like this from Kyoani who is usually all flash and flare so yeah I will give them a little kudos for actually showing some subtlety for a change and realizing that sometimes less is more when it comes to animation techniques, albeit a little late to save my eyes from the crazy high contrast that was the rest of this episode. Ah well, can't complain to much as the consistently well used music and the plot progression (however slow) more than make the episode at the end of the day.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

I can imagine Ryoko popping into Yuki's dreams, taunting her for stubbornly allowing the universe to be reset again and again... Telling her that despite Suzumiya's powers, inordinate amounts of energy of the universe are being consumed in order to restore its previous state from entropic decay.

I had a theory that Ryoko haunts Nagato's dreams.

Of course, in this case she'd just be a hallucination caused by extreme insanity.

Originally Posted by Arrnea

Now that would be scary in animation, if done correctly.

Also, Yuki the Yandere?

*cough*

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

*snip*

Can NOTHING please you?

[quigonkenny]

Great episode. Can't help but agree that I'd rather they had ended it here, but this does seem to simplify the whole "How do we handle SMS" argument, eh?

Highlights of the episode:

Mikuru in the park. This was absolutely epic. By far the funniest thing in the entire novel version of E8, and it did not disappoint here. I can't wait for next episode, when kinsoku jikou tells kinsoku jikou they should go to kinsoku jikou and kinsoku jikou.

15,498. You think the MIA advertisement of the new episodes was a Kadokawa troll? That was nothing compared to the KyoAni troll foisted on us a few minutes after every novel reader who heard Yuki say that number told themselves "Oh, so this is the one where they get it right, then." Heh... Not so fast. Genius.

LOL at people going off about next week's episode going outside of canon (at least the six-letter f word wasn't used) when the only difference from the novel is likely to be a different number. And maybe some fleshing out of barely mentioned other events.

Detail. Or more specifically difference in detail. Changes in swimsuits and outfits. Almost no changes in Haruhi's dialogue. Changes in where Haruhi is pointing the telescope when she looks at Mars. Guess we know which side of the argument KyoAni sits on concerning whether Haruhi's powers can extend beyond Earth...

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Can NOTHING please you?

It's You-Know-Who. You think?!

[Kaioshin Sama]

Considering I took a paragraph out to say how well I think the music has been used and how I liked the use of colourness in the final scene I would indeed say that I can be pleased.

[kyosak]

Wow @ Nagato's revelation... 15,498 times?!

I was getting a little worried after those first two episodes. Haruhi is finally picking it up~!

[chinaboat]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

The worst part is that as of the end of this episode, they've officially run out of canon material to use in the next episode (Aside from the very, very last scene).

Yeah? - So? Perhaps the writer has expanded on the original premise or whatever - I for one have never seen the value in an anime being solely composed of regurgitated printed material.

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

What a terrible directorial decision, the next episode is going to be even more boring than this one as they just used the one interesting scene they skipped in the previous episode.

1/10

How could someone know that an upcoming (and therefore most likely unseen) episode of a heretofore exceptional anime will be "even more boring"?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

15,498. You think the MIA advertisement of the new episodes was a Kadokawa troll? That was nothing compared to the KyoAni troll foisted on us a few minutes after every novel reader who heard Yuki say that number told themselves "Oh, so this is the one where they get it right, then." Heh... Not so fast. Genius.

LOL at people going off about next week's episode going outside of canon (at least the six-letter f word wasn't used) when the only difference from the novel is likely to be a different number. And maybe some fleshing out of barely mentioned other events.

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

[kk2extreme]

this reminds me of higurashi

[Arrnea]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

I'll be laughing too if that happens.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

Maybe it's actually happened more times than she claimed, but she told them that it happened less times to try and put them more at ease than if she told them the actual number of loops. Except of course, being a humanoid interface, her sense of scale is a bit off.

[Vicious108]

Well, that was much better than last week. Some plot ftw.

Yuki's revelation almost made me jump, that was very well done. Fitting BGM there. As well as in the roof scene, with Koizumi getting touchy and all.

Yuki needs a hug now, IMO.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Detail. Or more specifically difference in detail. Changes in swimsuits and outfits. Almost no changes in Haruhi's dialogue. Changes in where Haruhi is pointing the telescope when she looks at Mars. Guess we know which side of the argument KyoAni sits on concerning whether Haruhi's powers can extend beyond Earth...

FFFFFFFF I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT

What... what does that mean!?

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Considering I took a paragraph out to say how well I think the music has been used and how I liked the use of colourness in the final scene I would indeed say that I can be pleased.

Still, you complain in another thread about how KyoAni sucks now that they've lost their style and flair since Yamakan left... and now you complain that they're just made of flash now that they've got that style back?

Uhhh...

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

You know.

I'd do it, if I were them.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Still, you complain in another thread about how KyoAni sucks now that they've lost their style and flair since Yamakan left... and now you complain that they're just made of flash now that they've got that style back?

Settle down now, and I'll try to explain what I mean a little better. I never said they suck now that they've lost Yamakan, I implied that they made a bad call in letting him go and that it wasn't worth it to lose his eyecatching opening and ending sequences, which could have been put to much use on the viral marketing front. His openings and endings were a draw for Haruhi (2006) and you don't have to look to notice the difference in style between the current opening and ending and the old one. As for "flash and flare", that was a comment about their preferred artstyle which makes use of frequent (bordering on constant) lens flares and flashy animation sequences that rarely serve any purpose and tend to come at random intervals. I personally am not a huge fan of this style of animation (doesn't mean I hate it, but that I could do without it) and don't see anything extra special about it. Then again that's probably more due to overexposure to it then anything else when it comes to trends in Hollywood movies as of late.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

*snip*

Fair enough.

Their animation style tends to lead to mindfuckery, like with this episode, which is why it remains one of my favorites, however.

[Myssa Rei]

Are ga are, kore ga kore.

Another episode to go before The End of Summer for Haruhi and her friends. Maybe. Will Kyon find out what Haruhi's REALLY looking for? Get a hint man!

And yes, I'm dropping references that show my age.

[Voitan]

Originally Posted by dnab

E8-pt2 pretty much used up most of the significant dialogues in the novel, so we have HIGH probability of venturing into brand new materials on a pre-existing story. (Have to admit, didn't expect that coming into S2. Hats off to KyoAni).

The way I'd do it, to TOTALLY mindfuck the audience... Is to make them wish Endless Eight never stopped.

Spoiler:

New Material

From Yuki's POV of Endless Eight.

Yuki's actually not depressed at attempt 15497, she's feeling guilty.

I mean, sure she must have been boringly depressed after the first thousandth time, but in one mutation in one of the repeating events... Kyon notices her depressed mood, and treats her to something... borderline romantic to cheer her up.

In the proceeding repeats of the two weeks, Yuki has seen the event repeat once in a long while with small variations, to the point she has grown an attachment and curious desire to see it become more.

In one of the events however, it went far beyond what she would have imagined, and now she doesn't want these repeating weeks to stop.

However the guilt is eating at her and she feels she's unjustly taking advantage of an extraordinary situation from one of her only friends.

But all things must end so when the arc finally does end in this episode, you'd wish Endless Eight would continue on, rather than seeing it end.