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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's - Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.56% | |
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-03-28, 18:56 | Link #1001 |
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The problem is, Demi., is this...
Even though the BDH moment is missing and it hurts Fate a lot... The fact that yuuno has next to zero screen time just hurts the comments that a lot of people are making in defending Fate. Fact is, in the series, until he went to the library, Yuuno was on screen with Fate, Nanoha and Arf for a pretty decent chunk. Removing his screen time and keeping Fate just makes it more apparent. Remember, it took Yuuno well over 13 minutes to even show up in the movie. So, despite how you say that Fate had no other shining scenes (which I do agree with, then again, no one else had any shining scenes save for Shamal really) in the movie, well... Yeah... Look, not saying you shouldn't expect Fate scenes. I liked the scenes with her and Lindy talking, that was nice and I felt that was needed for Fate's character growth. The NanoFate scenes, though, I felt really were pointless as they didn't show much anything there other than 'hey, we're super close friends who are lovey-dovey'.
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Is 5-10minutes a lot of time to focus on a really popular pairing? It would be kind of odd if after the events of the first season, they didn't have some moments where they could bond, would it not? The series was chocked full of that stuff.
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2013-03-28, 19:01 | Link #1003 | |
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Anyway, I added something to my above post.
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2013-03-28, 19:26 | Link #1004 |
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Anyways...while I'm not particularly fond of it, the only way I think it would be fair to remove Fate's dream, is if Nanoha and Fate double teamed Reinforce in the final battle. If the book just sucks her up and herpderps her until Nanoha is finished fighting, that would be terrible.
At least this way, she can be a bad ass in battle...
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2013-03-28, 19:31 | Link #1006 | |
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2013-03-28, 20:05 | Link #1007 | |||
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0:17 to 0:52 Rein's initial narration - 40 seconds 6:20 to 7:00 Nanoha and Fate meeting - 40 seconds 7:45 to 8:21 Fate joining Nanoha's class - 36 seconds 11:28 to 13:23 Nanoha and Fate walking and talking - 113 seconds 13:24 to 13:40 Nanoha talking to Yuuno in the library - 16 seconds 29:58 to 30:16 Nanoha and Fate stick training - 18 seconds 32:16 to 32:37 Fate gives someone an eraser in school - 21 seconds 38:23 to 42:00 Transformation sequences - 217 seconds 56:27 to 56:54 Hayate, Signum, Shamal talking about knight armor - 27 seconds 2:16:52 to 2:17:46 Lindy and Leti talking (might cut Leti entirely) - 54 seconds 2:21:09 to 2:21:40 Nanoha and Fate walking - 31 seconds 2:24:43 to 2:25:09 Scenes of Hayate talking with Ishida - 26 seconds 2:25:10 to 2:25:40 Nanoha showing RH to Arisa and Suzuka - 30 seconds Total: 669 seconds or 11 minutes and 9 seconds. Note that I might not end up having to cut all of this (and you'll note it is not all Fate or NanoFate scenes), depending on the time it would take for the two paths I have come up with, which I'll detail below. Note that I HAVE left in the following Fate and NanoFate scenes: Nanoha and Fate talking and holding hands after being drained Nanoha and Fate talking in Nanoha's room about the Wolks Fate's talk with Lindy about Clyde, and her own mommy issues Plus some others where Nanoha and Fate are on the same screen and next to each other, talking with others, etc. Still PLENTY of screentime. Oh, and for the record,a s far as Fate's dream is concerned: 1:32:46 to 1:35:51 Initial wake up scene to breakfast - 185 seconds 1:38:44 to 1:40:35 Fate/Alicia - 111 seconds 1:43:34 to 1:45:11 Fate/Alicia - 97 seconds 1:45:37 to 1:46:40 Fate transforming Bardiche to Zanber and escaping - 63 seconds Total: 456 seconds or 7 minutes and 36 seconds. I don't exactly plan to cut this, but I did want to get an accurate count of the time it takes up, just so we're on the same page. Now, remember my Chrono dream scenario from before? He'd be absorbed first, and Fate would go in after him. That's something I'd definitely want to do, and I'd probably cut Fate's dream sequence in half so Chrono could share it (and they'd have part of it together as well, as brother/sister, so still a Fate scene overall, just sharing it). I might not need all 11 minutes to handle this, though (working on a fic at the moment that details what I'd like), but I may use some time for something else. But this would give me the time to have Chrono and Lindy resolve their feelings towards the Book; Chrono moreso than Lindy (she would have better accepted Clyde's death, so her only real development would be in learning to listen to and trust her new daughter to save Chrono). You see, what I'd do with some of the extra time, is give a bit more to the first encounter. Fate and Arf would intervene and quickly double-team Vita while she's draining Nanoha, interrupting it (but Nanoha is still significantly drained). Vita gets down for the count and bound, before Signum and Zafira show up to tussle with them. I'd have Fate fight a bit more evenly with Signum, and for a bit longer (Arf with Zafira as well). But Vita gets back up and helps overwhelm Fate while Shamal traps Arf and Zafira knocks her out. Signum starts draining Fate. It's at this time that Lindy *and* Chrono finally shows up with Enforcer backup (or just the hint that the DAB is starting to gather), forcing the Wolks into retreat (maybe with Nanoha managing an SLB to shatter the barrier, although I might just have Lindy break it). Probably have Lindy and Chrono come on strong with attacks that surprise Signum and Vita, and partially due to their low number of cartridges remaining, they decide to retreat. I'd probably dedicate about an extra 5 mins or so. But this way, Nanoha and Fate aren't completely drained and can recover faster, and aren't strangely left recoverable by the Wolks. But this part is optional. And you'll note I still left Yuuno out of this. Despite him also being a favorite character of mine, I recognize that he doesn't need a scene here. This is what I meant about sacrifice for the sake of the plot. He's needed to dig up some information in the library, and let Nanoha and Fate know the solution in the final battle, and also probably assist in the final battle, too. But there you have it. You honestly wouldn't really miss the cuts I made; if they never existed in the first place, you can't honestly say the movie would have sucked without them. You still would have gotten most everything you got in the series (minus the ep7 fights). And we'd still probably be able to fit some of them back in that I would have cut, depending on time. I have Sakura con to go to tomorrow and through the weekend, so if I can't get my fic out tonight, it might not be until next week sometime. |
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2013-03-28, 20:41 | Link #1009 | |
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2013-03-28, 21:00 | Link #1010 | |||
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But if so, then you get no more arguments who who is deserving of screentime based on character status. Agree? You willing to drop the "because main character!" argument totally? Quote:
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But you can't sit there and pretend that there isn't a more varied fan base. Well, I suppose you can pretend if you want. But I find it really odd that a supposed Fate fan really wants to diminish the character they claim to love, by having her regurgitate her same plot issues over and over again, instead of allowing her branch out and explore things like her relationship with Chrono and Lindy. That even taking 30 seconds or 5 minutes away from her, somehow means the end of the world. That's not healthy, dude. If you can't stomach your favorite character losing 5 or 10 minutes, when they they probably have at least half the screen time in a 2.5 hour movie, then I'd highly suggest you take a step back and reevaluate. Because it makes the rest of us see this. Fate losing 5 or 10 minutes will not kill the franchise nor chase people away. Especially since she's probably not losing that much, due to an expanded dream sequence that showcases her feelings and development toward her new family. And being a bit more badass in the first encounter. But all you can see is what is taken away... not what you gain. The franchise wasn't dying before we knew there was a scene where Fate gave a classmate an eraser. The franchise will continue on even if that scene never existed. It's not the end of the world. |
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Lets put this into perspective: Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's Score: 8.231 (scored by 15208 users) Members: 25,428 Favorites: 695 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha the movie 2nd A's Score: 8.501 (scored by 1013 users) Members: 4,624 Favorites: 32 Yes, I'm aware the series has far, far more members who watched it, yet the movie released a mere week ago. The score only continues to rise. And 1000 ratings is a sizable enough number to get the gist of how people feel about it. Yet you feel your changes would somehow make the movie even more loved. Topping that of the series, and the movie that reinvented it. Why not go and be a director or a screen writer if you feel so confident about it? Source: http://myanimelist.net/anime/10153/M...e_Movie_2nd_As http://myanimelist.net/anime/77/Maho...ical_Nanoha_As Quote:
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2013-03-28, 21:34 | Link #1013 | |
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Those who want the movie to focus on Fate and NanoFate And those who want more rich action, characters and plot.
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2013-03-28, 21:40 | Link #1014 | ||
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I wouldn't have even added Reinforce there prior to seeing the movie.
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2013-03-28, 21:43 | Link #1015 | |
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It's a step up at least.
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*chuckles* Man, this takes me back to the Ranma 1/2 fandom. The Akane fans (of which I was one), and the Ukyo fans, and the Shampoo fans... Akane fans, in particular, liked to proclaim their viewpoint as valid, because most people agreed with them. Then there is the Tenchi fandom, where similar things happened. And so on and so forth in many other fandoms. And the Last Airbender fandom... *shudders* If I had a nickel for everytime someone wanted to proclaim their viewpoint as being the majority, and hacked up some kind of internet stats to support themselves.... Ah, kids... to be that age again, like a teenager, convinced I knew everything and was right.... Quote:
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The problem with you (again), is that you blow everything out of proportion. Extreme examples isn't going to better your cause. Because those extreme examples did in-fact not happen in the movie.
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2013-03-28, 22:19 | Link #1019 |
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I'm taking your positions to their logical conclusion, Demi. If you don't like where they are going, then it might behoove you to evaluate the position in the first place. Maybe I am overblowing things a little, but you were the one who used the "mere side characters" phrase.
And again, you have a huge problem with removing 5 minutes or so of fluff that doesn't impact the plot at all; some of which was Yuuno, Nanoha, Hayate *and* Lindy! That's called "being objective." I get why, though... yes, you like Fate. And there is nothing wrong with that. Where you have your problem, is trying to declare that your likes and dislikes are more important than everyone else. Yes, you'll mostly run to try and dredge up some statistics or something. You don't really understand why people will dislike you for that. Then again, as I said, I've been where you are now. As such, I know you won't really understand for years. I'll say this much: there are a lot of people who love Nanoha for its rich and varied cast. They like to see each get some development. There are more of them then you might suspect. But because they don't rate the movie a 9 or a 10, and because they dare suggest minor changes, that drives you nuts. Lastly, I'll repeat: The changes I would have brought about, would get Fate more development, give an opportunity to showcase more emotion, as well as more action. So I thought it would be something you would like. And yet, because it gives attention to a mere side character, you are against it? Or do you just prefer fluff over everything else? |
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And I feel things have strongly drifted away from the focal point. My original opinion was that Fate in no way hogged the screen. People here have a knack for saying otherwise, and it really grates at my nerves. Which is why I'm going to eventually confirm the screen time for each character in the movie. If you think you can do better with the movie without simply eating away at the screen time Fate does have, then go for it. Nevertheless, I do feel the fluff is an important aspect of the series as a whole, and this movie.
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