2006-04-26, 08:00 | Link #21 |
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There's one good thing I see about the encoder's secrecy about their settings - force the new comers to do their own experimentation. (I think I'm just repeating other people, using different words.) If someone is to give out a concrete example, there sure will be some idiots who'll just copy that setting, never question what it does, and just go use it for everything. Nowadays, I think encoders are more afraid of making any "cookie-cutter made encoders," not really afraid of their skills stolen.
*sigh* I've been in and out of doom9 for almost 3 years, and I still don't know crap about this subject. This really is one subject that a person must experiment to gain knowledge.... reading will do good only after that. |
2006-04-26, 12:11 | Link #22 | |
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In some cases the person may not really want to be an encoder and can't find one, but still wants to produce a watch able fansub. In such a case, a multi-purpose copy and paste script may come in handy (along with consulting an encoder). |
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2006-04-26, 14:37 | Link #23 | |
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It seems people usually make leaps and bounds when learning to encode, don't worry about it all at once. Start somewhere, any part encoding no matter how stupid, and spread outwards to the other things from there. |
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2006-04-26, 17:09 | Link #24 | |
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If you're going to overdo or underdo things with regards to cleaning, though, best that you do them in experimentation instead of for an actual release. |
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2006-04-27, 13:57 | Link #25 | |
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The only real way to make a good encode is to apply the filters and then preview the outcome... don't laugh, I've seen ppl release their encodes without even looking at them.
To put it short, learn the basics yourself, things like how video is being stored and displayed, aspect ratios (you don't want to release an encode with a pixel resolution of 720x480 like this one guy recently did), telecine (if you can't get it to look really good, at least make sure it's properly IVTC'd). Reading up on avs filters would be the next step since you at least need to know what filter does what when applied to an encode, you don't need to know how things work and how did the video get the problems it has, you only need to know how to fix it. For more specific problems don't be afraid to ask or see if the problem has already been answered in the doom9 forums. By specific I mean stuff like rainbowing, in which case Bifrost(scenelumathresh=2,altclip=SSIQ(11,300,fals e)) is known to work good against in most cases. Using dedot() pre telecide is known to remove dotcrawl in static scenes, in pan/zoom scenes it won't do much, that's where you'd try using the aaa (anime anti alias) script, etc. The most proper way to encode is to apply filters per scene (as in, a different filterchain/parameter setting for each scene) as different scenes have often different problems, but I wonder how many encoders actually do that, I've done that only for a few encodes since that's a real time killer Quote:
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2006-04-27, 22:06 | Link #26 | |
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I've been through guides for what seems like days... There are many filters out there, so I just wanted to know some filters that will apply to a Fansub Encoder, A) Filters that can be used to clean up Animated Videos. B) I also wanted to know what the other encoders are using. I dont want to give viewers crappy video to watch... Remembers old encodes of Love Hina... Thanks for all this input, you are probably helping alot more than you think. *Off to Encode some more* |
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2006-05-04, 06:47 | Link #27 |
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I don't mind telling you what filters i use, in anycase you're still going to have to adjust your settings to get what you want.
For like a little cleaning I just use 2dclean and temporal soften _2DCleanYUY2(0,4,2,2).temporalsoften(2,2,3,mode=2, scenechange=10) works good most the time. Anime raws these day are generally clean enough these days you don't need to do much else, some people like to sharpen the pic up, but I honestly think in most cases it's unneeded As for older stuff well there is so much you can do, here is something i used awhile ago deen("a2d",5,12,14).temporalsoften(4,4,8,mode=2,sc enechange=10).BlindDeHalo3(rx=2.3, ry=2.3, strength=110).unfilter(-5,-5).LimitedSharpen(ss_x=2.7, ss_y=2.7, strength=120, special=TRUE) then tweak(sat=1.2) was used to bring back true color because the source was ugly ;/ I think i had to chuck in derainbow too but honestly its overkill... fansubbing is not supposed to be a replacement for buying a dvd, just a temporary stop gap, or long gap for some broke ppl My advice, stick to minimal filtering, all raws have a little noise, but like I said there should not be too much these days, you could do a tiny bit of sharpening maybe... awarpsharp().unfiler(-3, -5) but the average viewer won't give a shit =) |
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2006-05-04, 09:41 | Link #29 |
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_2DCleanYUY2? deen("a2d",5,12,14)? Unfilter? What are you trying to do...? The ONLY thing I'd use 2dcleanyuy2 on is mid-1980's 320x240 VHS captures. deen on those settings is basically the filtering equivalent of nuclear weapons. What you get is probably something like AonE-AnY's AMG s2 encodes, where you can see hints of something that might once have been detail... Ahem... cagz seems to be one of those old-school fansub encoders who likes blurriness a lot more than anything else. I doubt there'd be any detail worth looking at left... With those settings you might as well do something like the classic A4E-style: Code:
blur(1.5).blur(1.5).blur(1.5).blur(1.5).blur(1.5).GaussianBlur(10).CanYouSeeAnyDetails().blur(1.5).blur(1.5).AAA().blur(1.5).BecauseNowYouCan't().blur(1.5).Sharpen(likehell)
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2006-05-04, 12:30 | Link #33 |
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I did say that the last line was on a particularly old series and needed major cleaning hence the major nuking.
As for awarpsharp i didn't put the values in on purpose wasn't the default minmal anyway? like 4.. I could be wrong tho it's been awhile, indeed you shouldn't oversharpen, find a setting that works As for unfilter apologies, pasted teh wrong line it was early morning for me 2dclean is great on LOW settings for a quick clean, if you can still find the yv12 compatable version, its far from an annihilation. But, you know I'm also a fan of neutral bicubic resizing for anime, I like a soft picture not this oversharp crap. |
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2007-06-08, 13:14 | Link #37 | |
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2007-06-08, 14:10 | Link #39 |
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Here's what I use:
Bifrost ColorMatrix convolution3d dctfun4b deblock Deen degrainmedian descratch despot eedi2 fft3dfilter fluxsmooth frfun? gradfun2db hqdn3d masktools-v2.0a30 MaskTools-v1.5.8 Msharpen RemapFrames removedirt RemoveGrain sangnom ssiq TBilateral TComb TDeint TIsophote TIVTC TTempSmooth undot Vaguedenoiser VobSub WarpSharp + these scripts: AAA SIMPLIFIED DEHALO ALPHA DFM DERAINBOW FF/FB/FBF/FBFE/FFE HQ DERING LIMITED SHARPEN FASTER SAA VMTOON AAA Simplified/SAA = two almost identical Anti Aliasing scripts - one of the only differences in them is the resizers they use - which basically means, one will be a bit sharper, but a bit less AA'd, and the other will be a bit less sharp - but a bit more AA'd (or so says the result - I keep both since some cases require this and some that). VMTOON is used for line darkening - but on doom9 I saw some newer and faster line darkeners like "linedarken" or something like that and anotehr - but I didn't yet test them out... HQ Dering I hardly ever use... DFMDerainbow is mostly used as a nuke-derainbower - I do BiFrost, and if taht doesn't help I do Bifrost + DFMDerainbow(on places BiFrost didn't solve it) and if THAT doesn't help - I do the trick with Bifrost+ssia+DFBDerainbow(I did that only ONE time - Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu!) - also, carefull where you place DFMDerainbow - and, SSIQ can kill colors near the rainbow place - so try not to use it. DeHalo Alpha is used for those Oversharpened times, when I go berserk on sharpening(I'm a sharpening freak, sue me) - basically, you play with the settings, and it lowers the "white" "aura" which is created at times... It also kills other overly white places, like EYES sometimes - so carefull with the settings. AntiAliasing also filters stuff a bit - so if you are going to use it - disable all filters which smooth/denoise - and then add them up to see if you're not overdoing it. AntiAliasing which uses Sangnom(all I've used) will kill your speeds - so don't do it unneccesaitly... Like I do... >.> .... <.< ... FrFun - this filter is pretty damn hawt, there are a few versions FrFun7, frfun3b/d - I dunno - BUT, I stopped using them - because at some scenes, they change the COLOR of the pic! like WTF?! - go figure... Anotehr thing, if you filter too hard on the chroma, you'll get a sort of "shifting" of the pic - or "ghosting" or whatever - carefull. Two MaskTools are there(hmm, why ain't mvtools there? I don't remember...) - basically some scripts need the other one... So yeah... >.>... FF/FB/FBF/FBFE/FFE - scripts I created for FreezeFraming Berserk - if you're knew you might not know of FreezeFrame(a,b,c) where a=replace starting this frame, b = replace endin this frame and c=the frame to replace a,b with - sometimes you'll notice a certain pattern always occuring - so you'll want to write your own tiny script which will automatically replace frames according to the pattern. RemapFrames is something by StickyBoy - really cool thing with which you don't have to mes with Trim() to apply filters to a certain range... Hmmm, what else... What else... Meh, can't think of much else - hope this helped . Oh yes, Tcomb is for removing DotCrawl - but be carefull, it can and will mess up some small details scenes - so use with caution - also, some filters should be applied PRE IVTC(If such is performed). Yup... That should do it... Meow! . |
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