[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 4 Alliance of the golden witch

[Hareoic]

Random idea that came to me last night:

Spoiler for Names and Number Riddles?:

Does anybody know if the numbers from Episode 3/4 for the bank vault "spell" out anything? Like if written out in some form of Japanese, they either form words or anagrams of words? (or if they spell out anything when flipped upside-down)

And on that note, can any of the names of the people or places in the game somehow translate into a number sequence?

[rogerpepitone]

Spoiler for general sequence of episode 4:

In general, whenever somebody is completely unable to find words to describe what happened (Shannon & Gohda in episode 2, Gohda & Kumasawa in episode 4), I think it really means they're making it up, didn't have time to completely agree on their stories, and want to avoid contradicting anyone else in the future.

Kinzo had left instructions for what to do if his children seriously questioned whether he was alive. ("All of you have failed. Krauss, Kyrie, ...: agree on a scenario in which the others were killed at 10. Stay in character or everyone in disinherited.") I don't think anybody good who knew there were real murders could be threatened into lying.

The killer's plan was supposed to start going off at around midnight, and it ultimately depended on convincing Maria (or maybe Battler) that they were at the tenth twilight. He/she panicked that the reveal at the end would completely spoil that plan. Once anybody could be killed without the knowledge spilling back to the cousins, they were. When she was given her test, Maria chose her own life (no tricks).

Also, the rifles held five bullets. The killer was probably one of the people "killed" at the first twilight.

[momobunny]

Originally Posted by SaraFilipa

ROFL, yeah, but I can only imagine how the hell is he going to introduce new characters... It's all so confusing already...

I could imagine the servants who weren't on duty being shown in 1998 or something like that.

And possibly more demons and witches, and maybe even more characters that resemble characters from Higurashi. *still has hopes for a Hanyuu or Rena witch*

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Hareoic

Random idea that came to me last night:

Spoiler for Names and Number Riddles?:

Does anybody know if the numbers from Episode 3/4 for the bank vault "spell" out anything? Like if written out in some form of Japanese, they either form words or anagrams of words?

And on that note, can any of the names of the people or places in the game somehow translate into a number sequence?

Of course before ep4 there's been tons of speculation about that, and since the PIN starts with "07" everyone pretty much used the same reading that caused Ryukishi to chose "07" in his nickname because it can be spelled as "Reina".

In a few words 07151129 becomes: Reina igo ii niku

"ii niku" means "good meat" and someone though it was appropriate because Ep3 is the banquet of the golden witch. 15 could also be spelled as "ichigo", strawberry.

Reina is... well the original name of Higurashi's Rena, or the name of one of the five main characters of Final Fantasy V.

[lovelysan]

MORE new characters huh? Jesus. I love Umineko and all, but I think the amount of characters is just a toooouuuch too much ^^;. Eh well.

[k//eternal]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

LD and Bern statement sounded like a giant loser flag to me.

It should've come with the DING sound effect, haha.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by k//eternal

It should've come with the DING sound effect, haha.

"BEATRICE WILL NEVER WIN. AHAHAHAHA"
*ding-dong*
":| This is a loser-flag free zone"

[lazy tiger]

Well, new member here. Just wanted to say, I am enjoying this discussion. I am from India and I feel that anime and manga are good ways to propagate interest in Japanese culture among foreigners like me. Sorry for being off topic. Just for the record, Kanon is currently my favorite character in UM.

[Hareoic]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Of course before ep4 there's been tons of speculation about that, and since the PIN starts with "07" everyone pretty much used the same reading that caused Ryukishi to chose "07" in his nickname because it can be spelled as "Reina".

In a few words 07151129 becomes: Reina igo ii niku

"ii niku" means "good meat" and someone though it was appropriate because Ep3 is the banquet of the golden witch. 15 could also be spelled as "ichigo", strawberry.

Reina is... well the original name of Higurashi's Rena, or the name of one of the five main characters of Final Fantasy V.

What about reading it backwards or upside down? (upside down 5 looks like some kind of Japanese symbol to me, but I could be wrong)

[Marion]

Hey guys, I figured out Kanon's real name!

His real name is Lelouch

-shot-

<on topic>

As far as the numbers go, it's also theorized that 11/29 could be related to Battler's sin.

Spoiler for EP 4:

It might also be the day that Asumu's Battler died.

[Saerianne]

Originally Posted by Marion

Hey guys, I figured out Kanon's real name!

His real name is Lelouch

-shot-

I lol'd.

Anyway, the other numbers could be someone elses birthday. Beato? or maybe the other Battler's somehow? Ange's?

[Marion]

Battler and everyone else in that scene said they didn't know who that date belonged to birthday wise, so I'm guessing that includes both Ange and Asumu.

[Saerianne]

Originally Posted by Marion

Battler and everyone else in that scene said they didn't know who that date belonged to birthday wise, so I'm guessing that includes both Ange and Asumu.

Now that you've said that, I think that was one scene where Ange was mentioned, because Battler said it wasn't her birthday.
Hmm.
We'll find out soon enough.

[maximilianjenus]

11 might mean october and the 29 might be the date of the family reunion that happened 6 years ago.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

11 might mean october and the 29 might be the date of the family reunion that happened 6 years ago.

11 is November. 10 is October XD;

[Jan-Poo]

it could be anything

It could be 11:29 (Time of Battler's birth?)

It could be November 29, which could be the birth date of the other Battler Ushiromiya or who knows who.

It could be the year 1129, (but nothing relevant seem to have happened in such date)

Or it could be a completely different thing.

Even if by chance we get the right answer we will have no means to tell it apart from all the other hypothesis.

[k//eternal]

While we're talking numbers, the item that I got thinking about in the Q&A: the name "Rokkenjima" itself, as "Six House Island". Maybe pointless, but a couple things come to mind.

First off, the concept of "six houses" would be pretty weird. We've got the mansion, the guesthouse, and Kuwadorian. I'm not sure where to go with that one, though.

Also, the "six" possibly applying to the first twilight. Eva checks an atlas, right? But people looking at an atlas haven't found whatever it was she saw, apparently. Well, Rokkenjima is fictional, so maybe that explains it? In addition to the first character being a "six", it would be written with six kana.

Alternatively... Six toes? Six years? There's a lot of "six" in this game for some reason. If we're thinking about 07151129, it's almost odd that it doesn't have a six in it anywhere, considering.

Eh, maybe I've just gone on a silly track for the moment.

[Nih]

Please disregard this comment.

[k//eternal]

Uh, what are you talking about?

[Christen]

There is a lot of 6 in this game. We've been noticing it for quite some time now. Ushiromiya can also be made into 6 syllables. Beatoriche (ベアトリチェ) is 6 characters too. Ah, the list goes on.