Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[novalysis]

Don't think, Imasine ought to be made into a meme, if it hasn't been done already.

[Triple_R]

Super-Illya The Movie - You'll believe a magical girl can fly...

... unless you're Miyu.


I'm glad that they gave Illya something that she has an edge over Miyu at to balance off the two characters. Miyu's thinking is indeed overly rooted in science for the role of the magical girl, though she is doing a decent job in compensating for that as well as she can. I like how this narrative reflects my own preferred take on magic - That much of magic is about making the impossible possible through the strength of one's imagination and will.

In any event, the action scenes in this episode were truly glorious and the cliffhanger ending was totally fantastic.

This episode was indeed vintage magical girl, and had just about everything that a magical girl fan could want. It was truly a joy to watch!

[FlareKnight]

I think with "Don't think, Imasine" Ilya can really stand up to some great memorable quotes .

Was certainly nice though that Ilya has this kind of advantage. Miyu is a genius and skilled in a variety of ways, but is rather bound by her own logical mind. Hard to think outside the box and just use her imagination. While Ilya really is so into magical girls that she just uses what she thinks they should be able to do without thinking hard about it. Does make them a rather good combination.

Talk about a difficulty spike though after the last fight. Rider was pitifully easy and they go from that to getting nearly annihilated against Caster. Even with a decent plan in mind it was still close. Actually impressed they had Miyu bleeding from that injury. They do have strong defenses, but they really aren't invincible here.

Now that they are tired and worn out it's time to fight Saber!? Would be nice if Ilya could make use of Archer's card, but unless she does something about the arrow problem that won't be very useful.

Things are getting fun and an entertaining episode. Things are looking good.

[Polarpew]

If only caster was this buffed up in the original, she could've won the war

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

If only caster was this buffed up in the original, she could've won the war

The beamspam trick at least is canon. She pulls it out in UBW. It was just as surprising and intimidating there as it was here, but it didn't win the war for her.

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Would be nice if Ilya could make use of Archer's card, but unless she does something about the arrow problem that won't be very useful.

Use that bow to shoot Gae Bolg maybe? I wonder if that works :P

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by jeroz

Use that bow to shoot Gae Bolg maybe? I wonder if that works :P

That kind of thing might be the only kind of method. Probably do need to try some kind of combination in order to make the bow useful. I'm sure it will prove useful at some point, just a question of how.

[Seiryuu]

Thought I'd take a look at this on a whim, and it's rather oddly entertaining. Loli mahou shoujo battle is often fun when it's not overrun with heart-shaped attacks and other stupidity; not to the level of Nanoha by any means, but fun nonetheless. And it's an interesting combination of characters. Her otakuness aside, Ilya's fairly standard with her idiocy, too dumb to know what she's doing is impossible. The other's a little different, an original demonstration of why idiots make better mages (and also by derivation why little kids are better than well-grounded adults). Still, her arguments against anime physics are terrible. I can hear the thousands of mewling cries, the people of Galette cower in terror at the genocide that comes with Miyu the Cat-girl Slayer.

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by Seiryuu

Thought I'd take a look at this on a whim, and it's rather oddly entertaining. Loli mahou shoujo battle is often fun when it's not overrun with heart-shaped attacks and other stupidity; not to the level of Nanoha by any means, but fun nonetheless. And it's an interesting combination of characters. Her otakuness aside, Ilya's fairly standard with her idiocy, too dumb to know what she's doing is impossible. The other's a little different, an original demonstration of why idiots make better mages (and also by derivation why little kids are better than well-grounded adults). Still, her arguments against anime physics are terrible. I can hear the thousands of mewling cries, the people of Galette cower in terror at the genocide that comes with Miyu the Cat-girl Slayer.

It's the type of anime spin-off that a lot of fans want to hate

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I have to say, they are absolutely nailing this adaptation. It's amazing what they are doing here, I don't normally associate Silver Link with anime that is actually animated, but they're really changing my opinion of them with this show.

Perhaps someone over there is a big fan of this series or Type-Moon standing over them with a bat ready to wack them one if they try to tray too much.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

So someone asked about Illya using the Archer card. Here we see the drawbacks of Including the cards into the wands: all you get is the Servant's weapon. Powerful, sure, but a bow without arrows has distinctly limited utility.

I think Illya just doesn't know that she can make the "arrows". She has no idea what Archer is really like, after all.

If the card really was useless, then Rin wouldn't have used it against Luvia when they were fighting at the beginning of the series.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I think Illya just doesn't know that she can make the "arrows". She has no idea what Archer is really like, after all.

If the card really was useless, then Rin wouldn't have used it against Luvia when they were fighting at the beginning of the series.

Rin uses black keys as arrows. They forgot to mention that in the anime. It's impossible for Illya to make "arrows", as including the card doesn't grant you the heroic spirit's innate abilities. You only get access to their weapons/NPs. In Archer's case, it's only his bow. It would have made more sense for the card to turn into Kanshou and Bakuya when included since those are his weapons of choice but I'm assuming the author chose the bow so that it would suit the class of the card.

[.:Jason:.]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Rin uses black keys as arrows. They forgot to mention that in the anime. It's impossible for Illya to make "arrows", as including the card doesn't grant you the heroic spirit's innate abilities. You only get access to their weapons/NPs. In Archer's case, it's only his bow. It would have made more sense for the card to turn into Kanshou and Bakuya when included since those are his weapons of choice but I'm assuming the author chose the bow so that it would suit the class of the card.

Well that's not the only reason why Ilya/Rin just gets the bow. It'll be explained in season two if we get one but if you want to know before then ask in the manga thread.

[blitz1/2]

Miyu should really go to Archer (FSN) for help.

[Unknown Soldier]

Miyu grows into a really awesome character later on. Like most initially vaguely unfriendly quiet supporting character mahou shoujos, actually.

[Dengar]

So... since a Kaleid Liner apparently cannot access Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, the Archer card is completely useless? I mean, the bow really is just a bow with no special qualities other than being sturdier than most.

What does this bode for Caster's card? I mean the only weapon Caster has is Rule Breaker if I recall correctly.

[Xemnonsis]

Originally Posted by Dengar

So... since a Kaleid Liner apparently cannot access Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, the Archer card is completely useless? I mean, the bow really is just a bow with no special qualities other than being sturdier than most.

What does this bode for Caster's card? I mean the only weapon Caster has is Rule Breaker if I recall correctly.

Episode 6 will explain everything... or perhaps it'll just bring up more questions...

Anyway for the Caster card, it lets them use Rule Breaker... but in most cases, it's not an ideal weapon to use in combat

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Dengar

So... since a Kaleid Liner apparently cannot access Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, the Archer card is completely useless? I mean, the bow really is just a bow with no special qualities other than being sturdier than most.

What does this bode for Caster's card? I mean the only weapon Caster has is Rule Breaker if I recall correctly.

Just remember that so far as the anime has revealed, nobody, including the wands themselves, and their creator, currently knows what the cards are or how they really work or what they are really meant to do. Any attempt they're making to use the cards right now, odds are they're doing it wrong. It may produce a result of some sort, but it's probably not the result the card would have if it were being used properly.

[Guido]

I got to enjoy magical-girl deconstruction tropes at their peak every time that Miyu attempted logical analysis to refute dreams of flying, and people cannot soar in the skies.


Basically, Illya portrays mindless optimism and naive dreams which are qualities fitting for magical-girls. Meanwhile, Miyu portrays seriousness and staunch reasoning which are literal toxins and sins that deconstruct the whole magical-girl fantasy lore.


But, I don't see the girls owning competitive advantages one over the other. Their advantages lie in more of a comparative nature to help each other out. The fight against Caster proved it, that both possess affinity towards each other to work and mesh well in teamwork missions.


If only Miyu-san would open herself to the idea of having pink dreams and a 2D imagination like Illya does. :LOL:


No time for rest, little girls. She's here the most epic, legendary enemy of them all. <<<<ROAAARRRRR>>>>

[Nvis]

"People cannot fly" made me think of Shirou's famous line of "People die when they are killed".