2010-03-21, 22:25 | Link #6261 | |
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If Hayate can't go with Nagi due to the debt, I think Athena could pay for him so he could continue protecting Nagi. What I'm hoping isn't for Athena to be together with Hayate since it's impossible, at least at the momen. But her having something to do with Nagi's inheritance situation. But I guess that's kinda impossible too... It's like she is too powerful a character to be in the story...Dam it all. >.< |
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2010-03-21, 22:29 | Link #6262 |
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Athena gets karma points. For Athena fans, you get to live with the knowledge that she's mature, cool, attractive, magically powerful and very perceptive. Congrats, your fandom has been justified (if it wasn't already, to you).
For other fans: your girl now has a better chance at "winning". So, in order to make this truly a win-win, everyone should become fans of Athena and her personality, and then promptly begin shipping another girl with Hayate. WIN-WIN SITUATION. |
2010-03-21, 22:59 | Link #6263 | |
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2010-03-21, 23:15 | Link #6264 | |
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it's a shame, she might not be coming on as much, but i prefer seeing her entering with another semiserious/serious story arc than being in gags somehow hata's gags are used too much... comedies are good, but it gets boring without a plot Quote:
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2010-03-22, 14:12 | Link #6266 | ||
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I've been purposely trying to avoid this thread because I didn't want to be spoiled about ch. 265 (also I've had more to study lately), but I decided to take a sneak at the thread a little to see what the current discussion is. I won't comment on the previous pages because most of the things that I wanted to say have been said about it, but there is one thing I want to point out:
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-Athena only told Hayate to stop crying when they first started the sword training, and that was because she noticed that he cried quite a lot (Before that, she was surprised whenever he's done so) -Athena kicked Hayate once during the scene in chapter 9, but we learned that that happened because she saw Hayate kiss Izumi before his return (And tbh, this is not as severe as what Nagi does to him from time to time) Quote:
Personally, I never thought that Hayate getting hit or punished by the girls very funny. Not when Hina does it, not when Athena does it, or when Nagi does it (the first two had their reasons, but Nagi does it at times when it isn't even his fault) *Goes back to avoid spoilers *
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2010-03-22, 16:11 | Link #6267 |
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Guys. She was like eight. I punched my sister when I was eight. I told her she was stupid. I told my parents I hated them. I told my best friends never to leave me and to be friends with me forever.
Selfish? Probably, but I was eight. Watch little kids interact with each other and you'll know what I mean. Give it a break, most of that immaturity, violence, and selfishness has LONG SINCE been remedied if it was ever anything serious. |
2010-03-22, 16:33 | Link #6268 | |
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While Nagi does do worse, she does it in the present, when he has the constitution of a Gundam. Athena did this when his constitution is still at the level of a six-year-old.
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2010-03-22, 17:08 | Link #6269 | ||
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Really, people have the most ridiculous double standards for a slapstick comedy series.
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2010-03-22, 17:33 | Link #6270 | |
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Seems to me that the 'spell' was more to boost his confidence that he could do something so that she could teach him rather than actually doing anything to him. Time is a huge factor in the resilience of the human body. If he'd gotten run over by a car back then, he probably would have been killed. In present he's gotten run over twice, and the first he nearly did die. Later he gets run down, and goes on to out-speed a train on a bike. And both happened before we were shown the spell. 200+ one-fingered push-ups (those are the only numbers I could find) was probably enough to get a benefit back when he was training with Athena, he'd probably have to be doing ten or hundreds of times more by now to be seeing any significant difference now.
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2010-03-22, 17:42 | Link #6271 | |
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As well as controlling Shirosakura's power to strengthen Machina. So yes, she did cast a spell on Hayate that time, he felt the change himself and there were immediately obvious improvements on his skills as a butler since then.
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2010-03-22, 18:10 | Link #6272 | |
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He trained with the sword, did thousands of push-up's daily and worked since he was 9, and his endurance and skill is possible for a normal human in the real world. Loving how Isumi's knowledge is taken as factual when to have anything less than 2nd-hand knowledge of the stuff she's talking about she'd have to be a child prodigy greater than what you're purporting Athena to be with greater knowledge of things that happened out of her sight when she was three
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2010-03-22, 18:29 | Link #6273 | |
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There is no mention anywhere of Hayate doing such workout before meeting Athena, so it should be safe to assume that her spell was the catalyst for what would become the boulder he is now. Granted, he could've still trained with the same intensity even without being unlocked, but I doubt he would reach the look-at-me-fight-a-tiger tier without it. On that note...Hayate's brother looks too unnaturally skilled....was it because of Shirosakura?
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2010-03-22, 18:40 | Link #6274 | ||
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The second part of your post is really strange. You mock Game for actually using the information presented from the story itself, and through (by the author's own word) one of the strongest characters in the series to further validate their worth, while you have not actually provided anything that proves why it is not ''factual''
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He's done those things after training himself for years, which is in itself abnormal. Did he undertake those tests while he was with Athena? No, they were after, after his abnormal training regime. I'm saying the exact opposite actually. The world is not black and white, don't pretend that it is. I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't. Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions. That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence. He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger. If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later? The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell. Quote:
Also, see above 'black and white' statement. Having knowledge that she probably did have trained into her is different that making statements about things she couldn't possibly have known herself. Yet they are taken at full stock as true. Could Athena be the reincarnation of the Greek goddess Athena? Yes. Could she just be a normal human? Yes. The story has given us nothing factual making either of these claims true or false.
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I mean, really? The light on Athena's hand, the magic circle that she placed on him, his newly born strength say nothing to you. That would be very so impressive. Quote:
This "black and white" scenario is nothing more than "I must mix manga with reality since there is no way out." If you don't trust what Hata wrote, which is about every positive aspect of Athena, why do you even arguing about her? There is really no point. Last edited by zodanhko; 2010-03-22 at 20:23. |
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2010-03-22, 20:44 | Link #6279 | |
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If training must be involved to keep the ridiculous amount of power the characters in this manga has, then it doesn't explain how Hinagiku or Maria still possess ridiculous skill, power and endurance despite not having the same training routine Hayate has (they probably don't even have any). |
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2010-03-22, 20:45 | Link #6280 |
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wtf happened in the last chapter!? EVERYTHING WAS DOING SO WELL, IS THERE A FREAKING LAW BUTLERS CANT HAVE A LOVER?! HE IS JUST GRATEFULL TO NAGI, HE IS NO LOLI LOVAR DARN, Hata will go to jail if hayate falls in love with nagi lulz (anyway for me is obvious he just sees her as a really beloved sister)
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