2013-08-29, 21:45 | Link #9121 |
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I don't think so. The Impulse managed to keep up with the Freedom and the Strike Freedom managed to keep up with the Destiny on Earth. And since the Destiny should be more maneuverable and/or faster than the Impulse, the Strike Freedom was at least as good as the Freedom, if not better, even on Earth. Also, the Strike Freedom had an extra beam rifle and an abdominal cannon, so it has has the same amount of weapons as the Freedom on Earth.
And again, you're ignoring Kira's state of mind as well as how the Biological CPUs didn't care if they hit each other. Compared to that, Rey would let Shinn attack and then have his turn. |
2013-08-29, 21:57 | Link #9122 |
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Keep in mind they had to dumb down Kira a bit to have the Impulse keep up with the Freedom in the first place, never mind how Kira suddenly forgot half his bloody weapon tactics in that same fight. It's hardly the best comparison out there.
Same amount of weaponry =/= same level of firepower. Plasma cannons have a wider area of attack than a beam rifle, making them harder to avoid and more damaging on contact. The Strike Freedom as such as less overall damaging weapons in-atmosphere. The beam rifles, in theory, would be easier to avoid due to the smaller hit range of the beam. In space the Strike Freedom is far more destructive with the Super DRAGOONs (though for the life of me I can't understand why they're called Super when every bloody DRAGOON unit shown elsewhere outperforms them). Nevertheless, their presence in-atmosphere means in-theory the Strike Freedom should have less performance than what it could normally achieve. Aggravatingly enough, though, it was at the Strike Freedom's debut that when the production team for Destiny stopped trying to make a decent show. Rey and Shinn cooperating as they did only shows that they're better than the CPUs as they didn't have a time limit and weren't inherently antagonistic with one another, so they should've posed an even bigger threat to Kira by that point. And yet Kira still outperformed them, when the same time last season the CPUs would've had him on the ropes. Kira is frankly better in Destiny than he ever way at any point in SEED, except for when he took down Rau, and even that battle performance is debatable.
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To me it strikes me as a way of trying to make them sound more powerful/better than they actually are. It's entirely possible, given how they retconned the wings of light onto it and gave it the golden joints and so on and so forth. Quote:
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2013-08-29, 22:13 | Link #9126 |
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I would challenge the idea that Rey and Shinn are quite on the level of Kira and Athrun. They are good pilots, but not GREAT.
Also remember that Shinn and Rey technically won the 2 on 1 engagement on Orb. It was a close call, but they did have Kira on the ropes. |
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And the one good shot was interrupted by Athrun attacking him anyway, much like the second round against the CPUs. It's no debate that Kira's a better pilot than Shinn, we know that much--IIRC, there's an official statement that Shinn's the third-best living pilot in show, with Kira being the best and Athrun between the two of them, though I'd have to find it again--but all I'm saying is that Kira is way better than he was back in SEED, with comparatively little time to build up that level of skill, especially taking in atrophy of skill from having not piloted or practiced for two years. Okay, I don't really mean to be antagonistic... but every time you post a picture, Washu, it's like a part of me dies a little on the inside.
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2013-08-29, 22:31 | Link #9131 | ||
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You're thinking of the first battle and late into the second after Athrun showed up. I'm talking about the three-on-one in the second battle before Athrun intervened, when the three were truly coordinating their tactics. There was specifically a point where Athrun watched where the three of them spammed attacks at the Freedom, where the angles of attack showed that their beams were well away from each other, even. Quote:
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Almost got him for sure, but nothing to do with skill, and more to do with revealing a surprise weapon. |
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Haha, they improved Shinn's targeting performance against the Abyss.
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2013-08-29, 23:21 | Link #9134 |
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Well Strike Rouge phoenix doesn't do anything except block a beam rifle shot with its shield, as expected.
Also they did more "humanizing" Kira here. A few scenes were changed to show him looking sad and remorseful instead of his usual serious/angry face he had originally. Unfortuately most of Freedom's fighting is STILL stock footage from the original version of Seed. And now it's even more jarring because the new scenes make Freedom alot sleeker looking that it does in the original shots. |
2013-08-30, 00:03 | Link #9136 |
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When it first starts after Minerva crashes he looks sad now, where as originally he had the same expression he had at the end of 22. And he has that face again before flying away after Heine dies, where again originally he just had his blank srs face from the end of 22.
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2013-08-30, 00:23 | Link #9137 | |
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Each image was taken from the same scene in the regular episode and the remastered episode. All they did was give him a slight, very slight frown in two of them. Hardly enough to make him look sorrowful. No, while they gave the two later scenes (water landing and Heine kill) a touch-up, Kira still looks as emotionless as ever. The face view at the start of the episode/end of last episode is actually unchanged.
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2013-08-30, 00:29 | Link #9138 |
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The bigger eyes give the look of sadness, while he just looks cold or angry originally.
While originally it looked like he didn't really give a crap about the Minerva's troubles due to his actions or even was angry at them for attacking and killing Orb forces, here he at least looks mildly remorseful about it. Note that both changes are for scenes when people died to his actions (the crewman on Minerva, and Heine). |
2013-08-30, 00:34 | Link #9139 |
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You need considerably more than that to produce a sad look, which SEED IS capable of us. Narrower/lidded eyes, for example, with a downturned expression, possibly even slumped shoulders or a slight nod to the head.
Unfortunately, another one of those indicators are eyebrows, which are obscured by his helmet in the latter two scenes. Otherwise, the images pretty much match the first one from the start of the episode, which is his "serious" face, as you called it, so his expression feels quite neutral here. Not much humanizing, unfortunately. If you'd like to check the full episode for comparison, I used this video here: http://www.watchcartoononline.com/gu...english-dubbed Use the second player; I can't get the first one to work.
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