Higurashi Spoiler Discussion (for people who have read the clues/finished the series)

[Bern-chan]

Huh? D:

It was a joke?

[KoiYuki]

Originally Posted by Bern-chan

I thought I understood Hinamizawa Syndrome, but I read on wikipedia that Hanyuu is actually and alien and the syndrome is actually caused by aliens?

Can someone explain this to me? :S

Wikipedia = very often unreliable.. including this case.

It says on Wiki, "The final chapter in the PS2 game reveals that Hannyu is actually an alien, and that Hinamizawa syndrome is actually caused by tiny organisms from her planet."
Bullocks.

[Eryops]

Originally Posted by Bern-chan

I thought I understood Hinamizawa Syndrome, but I read on wikipedia that Hanyuu is actually and alien and the syndrome is actually caused by aliens?

Can someone explain this to me? :S

In the preview for episode 19 of Kai, Teppei reveals that Hanyuu is an alien from the M37 star cluster who can shoot laser beams from her chest, arms and forehead.

[Ithekro]

Now you guys are just trolling him.

[Bern-chan]

Thanks to the people with actual input, the rest of you should try and keep your stupidity out of question boards if you aren't going to actually answer questions properly.

[Severin]

Actually, I thought that the Hanyuu-alien thing was introduced in Miotsukushi-hen (PS2 finale); I vaguely remember Rias lamenting it months ago.

The Wiki for the Higurashi cast does have some interesting (and possibly questionable info), such as stating that Bernkastel created worlds in which Mion went insane due to K1 having a relationship with either Shion, Rena or....Satoko.

Maybe it's from the Kodansha Box novels or a very creative interpretation of the TIP involving Bernkastel at the end of Matsuribayashi-hen.

[Klashikari]

These pieces of information are completely ludicrous, until some very wrong stuff came from a totally random source.

Mion, Shion, Hanyuu and Bernkastel info have completely insane and wrong information it is hardly something to consider seriously, until proof provided.
I guess it should be removed right now, this is plain ridiculous...

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

These pieces of information are completely ludicrous, until some very wrong stuff came from a totally random source.

Mion, Shion, Hanyuu and Bernkastel info have completely insane and wrong information it is hardly something to consider seriously, until proof provided.
I guess it should be removed right now, this is plain ridiculous...

Has anyone bothered to correct the wiki yet?

[Ryuugu-chan]

Originally Posted by Bern-chan

I thought I understood Hinamizawa Syndrome, but I read on wikipedia that Hanyuu is actually and alien and the syndrome is actually caused by aliens?

Can someone explain this to me? :S

If this forum had a "rofl" smilie,I'd be abusing it greatly right now..For now,I'll use this..



Seriously,what happened?
Someone trolled the wikipedia page?
It wasn't like that last time I checked,a few weeks ago.

[rogerpepitone]

Originally Posted by theacefrehley

This is much more harmful to the Yamainu. This is a case they were directly involved and was like stalled. Only Ooishi was on it, like in particular investigation. (they even put pressure to stop the investigations with their influence, if I remember well).

4 or 5 people in a white van means nothing without a plate number.

They didn't destroy it whole to make it a red herring, misleading the police, or to make it looks like the boy was just crazy.

And you're making baseless guesses about time.

How can you be so sure it was so little time? They wouldn't need 15 hours to do the job (they are many) to look around the house and, 'cmon, his room is pretty much the obvious choice to pick.

The Yamainu weren't involved with the dismemberment victim. (They were involved in concealing the dismemberment killer.)

True, 4 or 5 people in a white van isn't much to go on. The most that's likely to happen is that, on the off-chance the police see it, they'll run the license plate number. Perhaps they'd somehow find a military connection. Leaving that part behind is an unnecessary risk. And wouldn't leaving "The dismemberment victim is still alive." or the indication he confused a marker with a syringe do a better job of making it look like he was crazy?

And why were they even bothering to search his house at all? Can you provide any evidence they had reason to even believe that K1 was investigating the curse? (Evidence they didn't: They had no interest in K1 right after school. While it's likely they'd guess that K1 had gone L5, why would they conclude he'd been investigating from that? Neither Satoko nor Satoshi had done any investigations before going L5.)

While I can't prove my timeframe conclusively, I do think it's quite likely. K1 mentioned that he ran without stopping, and he's described as not being in good shape. After that, the police took about 5 minutes to arrive. Standard procedure after that would include sending an officer to inform the parents. His parents were supposed to return that evening.

But even if the Maebaras did, for some reason, decide to wait until morning to return, and K1 took several hours to find the phone booth, how would the Yamainu know that? For all they knew, somebody could arrive at any time.

[theacefrehley]

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

The Yamainu weren't involved with the dismemberment victim. (They were involved in concealing the dismemberment killer.)


And why were they even bothering to search his house at all? Can you provide any evidence they had reason to even believe that K1 was investigating the curse?

Keiichi was meeting with Ooishi, the annoying cop who takes the 'curse' investigation more seriously than anyone. They are sure to keep an eye on Ooishi's moves.

Whatever dude.

[Ithekro]

How can we be sure that K1 didn't tear the note himself? He was not exactly in a clear state of mind, and we get most things from his point of view.

[Eryops]

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

The Yamainu weren't involved with the dismemberment victim. (They were involved in concealing the dismemberment killer.)

Yes, which means they were involved in the case. Takano applied pressure to bury all the Watanagashi murder cases since she was involved in all of them. It would have been inconvenient for the police to reopen them.

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

True, 4 or 5 people in a white van isn't much to go on. The most that's likely to happen is that, on the off-chance the police see it, they'll run the license plate number. Perhaps they'd somehow find a military connection. Leaving that part behind is an unnecessary risk. And wouldn't leaving "The dismemberment victim is still alive." or the indication he confused a marker with a syringe do a better job of making it look like he was crazy?

Oishi runs the license plate number of one of the vans in Tatarigoroshi-hen and nothing suspicious turns up. The police ignore it despite the fact that it was the last thing he does before disappearing, so obviously there was nothing that could endanger them.

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

But even if the Maebaras did, for some reason, decide to wait until morning to return, and K1 took several hours to find the phone booth, how would the Yamainu know that? For all they knew, somebody could arrive at any time.

They would only have had to search the room of the murder and that would take them a few minutes since they were professionals. They would have finished by the time the police reached Keichi in the phone booth and long before they reached his house.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

How can we be sure that K1 didn't tear the note himself? He was not exactly in a clear state of mind, and we get most things from his point of view.

Keiichi's only wish is to for the truth about the incident to be revealed. Even if he was crazy, he'd have no reason to destroy that evidence.

[SapphireSwampert]

Now I have a question, but I don't know if it should go in here or the Matsuri thread. But I'll post it here just for spoiler's sake.

Spoiler for Tsukiotoshi-hen:

What was Rika's role in Tsukiotoshi-hen? Out of everything I've read about the chapter, I've haven't read anything about Rika. If anyone could tell me, that'd be really appriciated.

[CS1Energypyre]

Sorry if I've missed some stuff, but I've looked everywhere and I can't find the answer to this:

Spoiler:

In the 4th episode of ni, when the police find the clock both the syringe and part of the text is missing. Who did this? It can't be Keiichi because if he realised what was going on before he killed himself he would of taken the part about Rena and Mion being murderers aswell, and I've also ruled out the vanmen (Tokyo, can't remember the proper name) because they wouldn't want anthing with a marker so they wouldn't take it.

[TubZzz]

It was probably Miyo who took it... or maybe not

[SealedTime]

Originally Posted by CS1Energypyre

Sorry if I've missed some stuff, but I've looked everywhere and I can't find the answer to this:

Spoiler:

In the 4th episode of ni, when the police find the clock both the syringe and part of the text is missing. Who did this? It can't be Keiichi because if he realised what was going on before he killed himself he would of taken the part about Rena and Mion being murderers aswell, and I've also ruled out the vanmen (Tokyo, can't remember the proper name) because they wouldn't want anthing with a marker so they wouldn't take it.

Spoiler for Answer:

The Yamainu, cause they can't risk people finding out about their actions. He stated "man in white suits" or somethng like that, it could've made the police suspicious, or rather Mr Delicious

[CS1Energypyre]

Ah, that makes sense now.

Spoiler:

Since Keiichi wrote about the men in white suits (Tokyo) they needed to remove the piece, especially considering it mentioned use of a syringe, which also pointed to them. And I suppose they took the pen becuase there is nothing about it in the note so it would make the police close the case. Gotcha.

[rogerpepitone]

I still say the note was damaged by

Spoiler for season 1:

Ooishi.

Reason: Upon comparing the note, he worked out most of what happened (specifically that K1 was delusional), and that Ooishi was partially responsible for the deaths. Therefore, he destroyed any evidence of a connection between himself and K1.

-- He removed the mention of the dam construction manager because they had been friends.
-- He removed the mention of Tomitake's murder because that it was not public knowledge that Tomitake was even dead.

He left the rest behind because it would (falsely) support his Sonozaki theories.

The Yamainu were not involved. They had no reason to search the room (remember, they had no interest in K1 after almost running him down or meeting him in the woods), and they left in the part about men with a van.

[Ryuugu-chan]

Spoiler for About The Atonement Chapter:

Did Keiichi ever meet Shion?

>< I just got volume 6,and he said to Rena that they could finally tell Shion and Mion apart..
Maybe he met her at Angel Mort?