2010-01-13, 07:45 | Link #161 | |
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With the same definition you seem to be throwing out you could even pass off shoujo sect as a non hentai if they just edit a few scene. And what exactly does Hellsing and Gantz have in common with Aki sora? Have you read the manga? or are you just basing your arguement on the uses of sex in anime. My view here is the relationship, the physical relationship is the selling point and not a supporting factor to the characters development. |
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2010-01-13, 07:50 | Link #162 |
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This doesn't compare to Kiss x Sis. This has an actual sex scene - movements and all. Kiss x Sis is innocent stuff by comparison, they just show more than is conventionally shown.
I've never seen Hellsing or Gantz so I can't say much on the subject. Are they aired on television or are they too, direct to video?
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2010-01-13, 13:08 | Link #163 | |
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Gantz does not. If they follow the manga then Aki Sora will have sex in EVERY episode Gantz has it in 1 episode. Kiss x Sis does not have any sex. Does hellsing 7? I dunno, never saw it. I HAVE seen all episodes of the TV hellsing and I don't remember any sex in it. The CLOSEST anime that has sex in it every episode and is NOT a hentai is Futari Ecchi (Step up Love Story). And that is more of a documentary of sex then sex. They don't have Spoiler for For Aki sora manga:
Aki sora will have all of those.
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(and if I recall Gantz does show the complete act just hiding the genitalia) |
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2010-01-14, 10:13 | Link #166 | |
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In essence hentai are not X rated at least according to the American and Australian system of Rating. Both countries counted hentai as adult series with and R+ 18 rated attached to each hentai series published, so any argument over X or R rated is superficial. Even without further discussion I can see you agree that Aki Sora is at least an adult series. Was the simple focus of delisting hentai show based on content or taking in precaution considering the demographic involve with animesuki. Maybe I’m out of line but I don’t think there is a warning message within AS citing the follow content are requiring you to be above 18 years or older or maybe that’s ignored as all material is allowed aslong as it doesn’t have a hentai label. Unless you can somehow persuade me that a 15+ viewing tag is acceptable using Aki Sora content. I, myself have a hard time even mustering any courage to recommend this series to anyone not over 18. At least in my view it’s an 18+ series. |
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2010-01-14, 11:24 | Link #167 | |
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Cuz I can just imagine having an ugly fat sister trying to ...... ukes:
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2010-01-14, 19:13 | Link #170 | |
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2010-01-15, 00:18 | Link #171 | |
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Compare this to "there's nipples, ban it!" or "she/he looks too young, pedo!" and I scratch my head at the double standard. Certainly Aki Sora shouldn't be viewed by children but our policy regarding hentai is with graphic depictions of sex. As was pointed out, it's not Bible Black. Is it uncomfortable subject matter for some, certainly. But once you start splitting hairs about what is appropriate everything is fair game and it's easy to fall prey to censorship. We judged that while borderline, it does not cross it. So it's listed, we gave a warning, and that's that. Keep in mind that it's not classified as Hentai anywhere else, and while some might be uncomfortable with the themes or the depiction of them it is also ultimately up to them if they wish to view it or not. For children who happen upon it, I would hope there are good parents willing to discuss with their child before giving them permission to view it.
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2010-01-15, 00:52 | Link #172 | |
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2010-01-15, 01:59 | Link #173 |
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Well for me I think this falls under that thing like, I understand what its technically supposed to be but I'll label it something else cause its so borderline it might as well be it.
I mean to be honest who's any one kidding this is hentai, guess you could say its a series thats not sure what it wants to be, so is kinda in limbo about it. It should have just gone that extra step and given us the full show and be done with. Only reason I see why this gets the attention it does is cause of what it's labelled as, considering its content. Well whatever anyone wants to think it should be, its nothing great and IMO should be watched for the kicks I would have much prefered a My Balls or Yuria 100 anime, they are simply epic
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2010-01-15, 14:38 | Link #174 | |
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Blood and gore is under completely other concerns and limits compared to sex. Things like realism to the level where some people might get stressed watching it (for children the issue being trauma; even if only as far as nightmares) is the consideration, not the volume. The candy-coded sugar rich blood/gore they use in hollywood and anime is harmless regardless of how much you use (has even been used for comic relief). There's another more important consideration. I'll give you a simple example: in Claymore limbs fly off, blood spills out everywhere and yet at best people will find it interesting. Compare that to say a prisoner of war being decapitated in cold blood while very much conscious and calling for help, complete with voice getting drowned down by the blood flowing down from the severing of the neck; as well as ther details, face first, no instant death, pain, suffering (not to mention there's no hero moral, dignity or reason to have them die). As they say "ignorance is bless", its better if people aren't "trained" into finding it acceptable or easy, even if only a little. When it comes to sex subjects its no longer how they show it (that is not gonna kill people) but rather what the show/movie is trying to make out as reality. For example: all girls are sluts, all guys are abusers of sluts. You then have masturbating, incest and other sex related activities (not even mentioning things like rape) as the norm or common. It may be just ideas, but ideas with wide spread have great influence; just take the ever changing opinion of the internet each year, depending on content. These subjects are also obscured in society, to be blunt: people are too uninformed to realize whats a far fetched fantasy (plot device) and what is really based on reality. Take into consideration what happens to stupid teenagers who's personality is largely watch-and-copy what the majority they see around them is doing and you have a potential brainwashing problem.
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I just wish you posted that POLICY in this thread. Here's the last official post regarding it. Quote:
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2010-01-15, 20:55 | Link #176 | |
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I saw Queen's Blade mentioned earlier as an example of going too far. We were debating that among the staff when it aired actually, but before we really had to decide to list it we received notice that it was licensed. It resolved that problem but Aki Sora did not share the same fate. In any case, there's nothing wrong with discussing the content of Aki Sora, either the plot or the social implications of the themes in the plot, or even just the decision to create such borderline material in the first place. Those can be rather healthy discussion points and we don't wish to discourage that, so don't take my previous post as an attempt to squash the topic. Our decision to list it, however infamous, was taken under consideration from this thread and the opinions of the staff. So I hope no one feels we're not simply polling the community without actually listening to them. Our opinions privately were just as split as the ones in this thread, amusingly enough. As for Cats post, I can't find much to disagree with, but I will point out cultures have widely varying opinions and attitudes about sex and violence. In America, we're especially hypocritical about it...sexuality is everywhere but the subject itself is difficult to approach because there are very rabid moralists who use children as a shield to hide their unwillingness to handle sex, gender, and sexuality maturely. Violence however, seems to get a pass until it is linked to a shocking event. Perhaps this discussion would be better suited for a General Discussion topic though, since it might derail the thread a bit too much.
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2010-01-17, 02:02 | Link #177 | |
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At this point, I added something like "Oh yeah, and there 30-60 seconds of Amanda Peet topless leaning out a window, then another few of her distracting a couple hit men the same way." At this point, the lady straightened up, took the video off the counter and said "Oh, well, maybe I should get something else then." Just to be clear, she had no problem with hit-men, murder, torching bodies or helping a hit man escape the law, but a naked girls breasts might twist his young mind. This country has a problem with sex, and those that have the biggest problem with it will always be the ones shouting the loudest and suing the fastest. Beware or be prepared.
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2010-01-18, 11:14 | Link #178 |
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Aki Sora is a limited special edition OAV that came with the manga
You will probably never hear official word of it being licensed in the US. Not to mention that incest is still a touchy subject. I know for fact that even with a target audience that is intolerant of censorship, some adult manga are still"sanitized" when it comes to incest themes. You are still on a very slippery slope since you're essentially providing pay per view for free, though. But then again, I have a problem with sites that host torrents for OAVs and and DVD/BR rips so just feel free to ignore me. Last edited by Key Board; 2010-01-18 at 11:26. |
2010-02-05, 10:16 | Link #179 |
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found this on animenewsnetwork , guess its getting another OVA
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...taff-confirmed |
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