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Ringil · 2012-01-01, 04:36

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Originally Posted by ksho

An inactive Avalon maybe...but a fully activated one dissolves into shiny fairy dust particles that immerses the user and transforms them into an untouchable moving fortress (as seen here):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeTSjWvkIAo

Simply put, it's an automatic "I Win" since it displaces the user out of phase with whatever reality they are in...rendering them untouchable by any external force. (not even the Anti-World EA could do a thing about it)

Generally... quoting from the anime adaptation is fail haha

ksho · 2012-01-01, 04:44

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Originally Posted by Ringil

Generally... quoting from the anime adaptation is fail haha

Ahh....but it isn't when that part is true to the source material.

Nihokon · 2012-01-01, 05:43

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Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

I don't think the Land of the Faeries means not from Gaia though :/ I don't understand how the Faeries would come into contact to give Excalibur and Avalon (and etc) in the first place if they weren't from Earth.

From another world? Like how NekoArc came from great cat-something summoned by Zeltrech using second magic.
Avalon and all other fairy-made relic have fairy letters inscribed on them.
According to wiki, fairy letters belong to another world.

DragoZERO · 2012-01-01, 11:13

You guys are forgetting a key element, Saber uses Avalon so it's instant win, every time.

And I don't like Deen's interpretation. Why did Avalon fall from the sky onto them? I thought it was more they summoned it in front of them and then it protected them. Deen doing Fate is one of the greatest tragedies of human history. Up there with Gundam SEED Destiny and Final Fantasy X-2.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 03:35

I have this two questions:

1) is there a "Carnival Phantasm" thread?

2) When it's suppossed that CP Ep. 9 will be released?

Haak · 2012-01-02, 05:26

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

I have this two questions:

1) is there a "Carnival Phantasm" thread?

2) When it's suppossed that CP Ep. 9 will be released?

1) Yes

2) Just now.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 05:39

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Originally Posted by Haak

1) Yes

Awesome, thanks xD!

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Originally Posted by Haak

2) Just now.

Now? as in ...today?

Haak · 2012-01-02, 05:40

Check the last post in the thread.

bhl88 · 2012-01-02, 09:18

btw does Gae Buidhe work on as many individual targets as it hits?( Lancer stabbed Saber, so can he stab Rider and give him the curse too?)

ksho · 2012-01-02, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Now? as in ...today?

Episode 9-12 were released together with the Fate/Protoype trailer on new years eve.

On a side note, I always wondered why the Carnival Phantasm thread isn't in this sub-forum? Anyone care to shed some light on this?

Auria · 2012-01-02, 16:36

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Originally Posted by ksho

Episode 9-12 were released together with the Fate/Protoype trailer on new years eve.

On a side note, I always wondered why the Carnival Phantasm thread isn't in this sub-forum? Anyone care to shed some light on this?

Well, as far as I deduced, since Carnival Phantasm merges (primarly) Tsukihime and F/[..] it's not 100% F/[...] related, even though it's Nasuverse/Type-Moon related (compare to Higurashi/Umineko who also have their respective subforums despite being part of the When They Cry series - in that case you can literally see that a merged subforum would probably be overflowing with topics and activity though). But maybe there are plans for a happy-Typemoon-forum in the future

(no more searching for related threads like Mahoyo!)

giorno · 2012-01-02, 17:58

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Originally Posted by bhl88

btw does Gae Buidhe work on as many individual targets as it hits?( Lancer stabbed Saber, so can he stab Rider and give him the curse too?)

yes, obviously

Haak · 2012-01-03, 07:08

If the first three Holy Grail wars were only supposed to allowed actually good Heroic Spirits to be summoned (Avenger being the anomaly) then how was there an Assassin class in the first place that only allowed Hassan i Sabbah to be summoned?

DragoZERO · 2012-01-04, 21:45

Avenger was an anomaly? Didn't they cheated and fail horribly?

I don't think there was ever a limitation on the whether a Servant was Lawfully Good, Neutral, Lawfully Evil, etc, etc.

Again, I think.

Ithekro · 2012-01-05, 01:56

Probably because the ideal of Hassan i Sabbah's "Assassins" are a legend in the heroic way in their part of the world.

We don't know anything about the First and Second Wars...only that the Third War corrupted the Grail allowing for Non-Heroic spirits to be used, like both Fourth and Fifth War Casters.

GDB · 2012-01-05, 08:43

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Avenger was an anomaly? Didn't they cheated and fail horribly?

I don't think there was ever a limitation on the whether a Servant was Lawfully Good, Neutral, Lawfully Evil, etc, etc.

Again, I think.

Pretty sure they said during Heaven's Feel that originally only good Servants could be summoned. Then the Grail was tainted by Avenger (who, as you said, was summoned by cheating/using loopholes), and anyone could be summoned.

giorno · 2012-01-05, 18:09

the hassans were summoned since the 2nd war though, since the class exist specifically to summon them...

so yeah...i think it's less the hassans are evil and more the hassans aren't true heroic spirits(kinda like EMIYA)...

Ithekro · 2012-01-05, 18:57

A heroic spirit is a concept.

The Hassans did not target civilians. I suppose they might be considered honorable. They targeted Sunni and Christians during the time of the First Crusade (thus seems to be a Persian based group). Legends (since that is what the heroic spirits are usually...the legendary part of a person) have it that it was a cult of sorts that was trained to believe they had died and gone to heaven, and were now doing God's work. There are other versions, of course.

They could be seen as the first Islamic terrorist group, from a certain point of view. Though they only targeted political figures, not random people.

Cherry_Lover · 2012-01-05, 19:32

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Originally Posted by GDB

Pretty sure they said during Heaven's Feel that originally only good Servants could be summoned. Then the Grail was tainted by Avenger (who, as you said, was summoned by cheating/using loopholes), and anyone could be summoned.

No, only proper heroic spirits could be summoned (as opposed to "vengeful spirits"). That's not the same as being "good". For instance, Rider is canonically Chaotic Good, but she's not a normal heroic spirit, because she was a monster in her legend.

Shadow5YA · 2012-01-11, 01:23

What's the track that plays at the beginning of this clip?

Spoiler for UBW ending:

2012-01-01, 11:13	Link #3344
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	You guys are forgetting a key element, Saber uses Avalon so it's instant win, every time. And I don't like Deen's interpretation. Why did Avalon fall from the sky onto them? I thought it was more they summoned it in front of them and then it protected them. Deen doing Fate is one of the greatest tragedies of human history. Up there with Gundam SEED Destiny and Final Fantasy X-2. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

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Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	I have this two questions: 1) is there a "Carnival Phantasm" thread? 2) When it's suppossed that CP Ep. 9 will be released? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

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2012-01-03, 07:08	Link #3353
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	If the first three Holy Grail wars were only supposed to allowed actually good Heroic Spirits to be summoned (Avenger being the anomaly) then how was there an Assassin class in the first place that only allowed Hassan i Sabbah to be summoned? __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2012-01-04, 21:45	Link #3354
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	Avenger was an anomaly? Didn't they cheated and fail horribly? I don't think there was ever a limitation on the whether a Servant was Lawfully Good, Neutral, Lawfully Evil, etc, etc. Again, I think. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

2012-01-05, 01:56	Link #3355
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Probably because the ideal of Hassan i Sabbah's "Assassins" are a legend in the heroic way in their part of the world. We don't know anything about the First and Second Wars...only that the Third War corrupted the Grail allowing for Non-Heroic spirits to be used, like both Fourth and Fifth War Casters. __________________

2012-01-05, 18:09	Link #3357
giorno Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009	the hassans were summoned since the 2nd war though, since the class exist specifically to summon them... so yeah...i think it's less the hassans are evil and more the hassans aren't true heroic spirits(kinda like EMIYA)...

2012-01-05, 18:57	Link #3358
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	A heroic spirit is a concept. The Hassans did not target civilians. I suppose they might be considered honorable. They targeted Sunni and Christians during the time of the First Crusade (thus seems to be a Persian based group). Legends (since that is what the heroic spirits are usually...the legendary part of a person) have it that it was a cult of sorts that was trained to believe they had died and gone to heaven, and were now doing God's work. There are other versions, of course. They could be seen as the first Islamic terrorist group, from a certain point of view. Though they only targeted political figures, not random people. __________________

2012-01-11, 01:23	Link #3360
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	What's the track that plays at the beginning of this clip? Spoiler for UBW ending: <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/o1_BMBfvX1g">watch on YouTube</a>.</p>