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Very educational though. Though on that first link, France has a different sizing category (along with Belgium and Spain) than Europe in general. So who knows. |
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2008-10-19, 22:28 | Link #143 |
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I actually liked the episode even though it was obviously rushed. Jean, Yuuko and Katahira's personalities are way better presented in the manga and Nodame's encouraging speech to Chiaki is not merely the one-liner "People improve when they lose" as it is in the anime. And not showing Chiaki conducting the piece which gave him the win was just non-sensical from purely narrative point of view.
But Nodame was hilarious as usual and I am watching the series mostly to see her antics, so I am not too bothere.
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2008-10-20, 06:40 | Link #145 |
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A counter-comment I made on my Ep2 article turned into a tl;dr rant, and caused me to realize that maybe I didn't quite expound enough on why I disliked the execution of the episode so much. So I thought I'd copy/paste it here.
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2008-10-20, 10:00 | Link #146 |
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WOW things are moving ultra fast they covered so many in episode 2 just alone skipping over massive amounts of material and going right into Chiaki's competitions which they skipped a lot of good material that i feel was needed to to progress the story. I am not hating it im just disappointed that so much material was left out they basically covered Chiaki in one episode. They didnt kill his character development but they did bloody it a little. Im so glad they kept the other Japanese guy in the series along with his jumping skillz lol. Over all still good a little disappointed but not so muc thats its a bother looking forward to when Nodame finally finds her way. What she does later on is truly cool.
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2008-10-20, 10:53 | Link #147 |
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Speaking as one who hasn't read the manga save a couple of pages, I don't find anything lacking in this series. The pacing is fast, but I wouldn't call it "rushed." Judging by how much whining is going on here, I'm actually glad I haven't read the manga and let it diminish how much I'm enjoying Pari-hen.
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2008-10-20, 11:33 | Link #148 | |||||
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Really, I thought considering all your posts about Chiaki's 'work ethic' and 'determination', this is one omission you should've been happy about as it goes against both. Quote:
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Admittedly, it's the weakest part of the episode, because all they have shown is how Chiaki beat one contestant, but we weren't shown how he beat the other two. That said, Jean did say not to worry about his performance, of which when coupled with the 'admitting mistake' incident we can safely conclude it was just 'good enough' to advance to the next round. Quote:
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And while I'm all for more Chiaki-->Nodame scenes, with Chiaki allowing Nodame to choose for him in the 'lottery' and him using the rubber toy for his baton is more than enough for me. Really, you seem to be so intent on these two topics (both of which has been hammered to our heads already) that you don't see what the true purpose of this episode... One, to show that Viera-sensei still remembers Chiaki, and that Viera still considers him as his apprectice. And two, this is the first real measuring stick we have of Chiaki's conducting ability, and that he is on the level of any of Viera's students. The anime just so happens to focus on these two topics. Of which I am glad, because really, I don't see the point of beating a dead horse by focusing in the two topics you feel they should've emphasized on. Of course, if Kasai was the one directing, I'm pretty sure that everything would be done so much better. Then again, I'm biased that way, since I worship the ground he walks on.
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I said Chiaki wanted to do some last minute studying in the manga. I do believe I have not stated that he that was all the studying he planned to do, or that he had not studied before that particular scene. On the other hand, I can see how you might have misinterpreted what on hindsight is an ambiguous statement of mine, so I'll let this slide. Quote:
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I'm in despair! The tendency of people to indirectly insult my intelligence has left me in despair! Ahem. What if I told you that the live-action special episode covered both the points you raise as well as the points that the episode omitted? Clearly, there is no dilemma as to what should be included here, is there? There's only what the episode included and what it omitted, and what was omitted is enough to significantly affect the story negatively. |
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2008-10-20, 20:26 | Link #151 |
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Well duh, of course they took nearly twice as long for the Competition Arc. They still did it far more properly than J.C. Staff did, though. [sarcasm]I am so sorry for being a complete Chiri Kitsu about it.[/sarcasm] >_>
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And since i am feeling like hijacking the thread with all the manga talk, I will finish off by saying that I just saw the seiyuu of Son Rui and I like the choice they have made. It is Ohara Sayaka, known to me for voicing Alicia from ARIA and Milly from Code Geass.
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2008-10-21, 08:57 | Link #156 |
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Episode two was enjoyable. Nevertheless, I felt it was too rushed and dropped many details that would have made for a better episode.
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Given the number of episodes the second season has, it really depends on what the production crew is gunning for - just telling us the story or giving us the whole Nodame experience, music, warts and all.
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2008-10-21, 09:28 | Link #158 | |||||||
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Jean: I heard your perfomance. You don't need to worry. I dunno about you, but there's more weight for Jean commenting about Chiaki's piece and how he performed it, rather than Chiaki's skill in comparison to his. Besides, why would Chiaki worry about his skill being less than Jean's? Right now, Chiaki's biggest worry is if his perfomance is good enough to advance to the next round, and as such, it makes much more sense for Jean to mean not to worry much about advancing. Quote:
Chiaki: He must be a good guy. Of which, what was Jean being a good guy of? That he was just giving him 'consolation'? Or perhaps maybe because he stopped Yuuko from essentially kicking a man when he was down and he himself did not stoop to that level? The former has evidence on shaky ground in the anime, but the latter is exactly what he did during the restaurant scene. Quote:
Being familiar with the piece that he was doing, on top of it having a special place in his heart nailed the coffin right then and there. They didn't show how he beat Jean, because really, at that point it's inevitable that Chaiki won. Of course, it's of the slimmest of margins at worst, since Chiaki did say he didn't felt like he won, nor did Jean felt like he lost. Both did their best, but it just so happened that Chiaki edged out his competition. Lesson of the story? Determination, hard work, and talent are important, but in the end it's all about enjoying whatever it is you do. There's a reason why Katagiri is also put in there by showing Chiaki the error of his ways. It's just too bad Katagiri doesn't have the genius the other two finalists has, as evidenced by him failing to enter the finals 3 times in a row already. The way I see it is this... Jean - Determination, hard work, talent Katagiri - Determination, hard work, enjoying the music Chiaki - combines the best of both worlds... Determination, hard work, talent, enjoys the music Quote:
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