2011-12-21, 01:31 | Link #3961 |
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Only problem with that is the cursed wound lasts only as long as the one who dealt it. The only people we know of that can survive a direct barrage from the GoB is Saber, Shirou (and by extension Archer), and Fate/Zero Berserker. Everyone else would just get blasted into tiny little bits, especially if they managed to score a hit on him. Even considering Goldie's tendency to not go all out, he knows when and how to swat an annoying fly.
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2011-12-21, 01:40 | Link #3962 | |
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Shirou and Saber died in the Bad Endings (which are also canon), it's all about the circumstances. Obviously, no one can win against a serious Gilgamesh (not Saber, not Shirou), but we're not contemplating that. Lancer's got two advantages when facing a GoB spam: he has Disengage stats B (allows him to break away from combat plus the bonus effect of "returning battle conditions to what they were at the beginning of the match" and that's C ranked, imagine B) and he has Battle Continuation (originally A, damn Kotomine, Bazett would rectify this). Plus his runic magic (all the original runes, what is Gil weak against), unfortunately we don't know what all of them do. But they are divine runes by Odin himself... The major peril from the Gate is Enkidu, IMO. Ea he can counter with Bazett's backup, but Enkidu? No.
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2011-12-21, 01:55 | Link #3964 | |
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How I wish we could have seen the damn Lancer fight. Even if he was really dampened by command seal and Kotomine, it would have been interesting.
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2011-12-21, 02:03 | Link #3966 | |
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GoB also losses to UBW, and Gil would lose any fight against Archer if he didn't have Ea, because Archer will beat him in hand to hand combat and UBW will block out and even push back GoB.
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2011-12-21, 02:22 | Link #3968 |
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I'm not sure if Archer would beat Gilgamesh. The only reason Shirou did was because Gilgamesh screwed around. But they can only sustain their UBW barrage for a temporary period of time. All Gilgamesh has to do is keep spamming til they become exhausted.
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2011-12-21, 02:31 | Link #3969 |
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Gilgamesh didn't screw around after UBW was summoned. He legitimately was fighting with Shirou and was unable to draw swords from GoB quickly enough.
The problem was that Gil shouldn't have allowed Shirou to use UBW in the first place, and when he did, he should have had Ea ready from the start. In swordplay, however, Gil was clearly losing. |
2011-12-21, 02:38 | Link #3971 | |
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But without Enkidu and protecting Ilya at his back, you're going to have a similar scenario to UBW vs. Berserker if Ea doesn't come into play. Berserker will reach Gilgamesh and he will crush him even if it costs him most of his lives. As for Ea, would that take all of Berserkers lives or just a handful? Ahh, I had thought you were building up GoB to be a nigh unbeatable super skill. My mistake. (Assuming equally good mana supplies) Gilgamesh, without Ea, is extra-hard countered by EMIYA. There's literally nothing he can do to stop UBW from overpowering GoB and getting himself thoroughly skewered. The events in the UBW route, once UBW is cast, are not him screwing around. It is legitimately serious!Gil getting his ass kicked because he underestimated Shirou, allowed him to cast UBW, and didn't have Ea. Without Ea is he hosed against EMIYA/Shirou.
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2011-12-21, 03:29 | Link #3973 |
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Guys, guys... what if Gilgamesh (or Nero)* with Bazett as Master join an imaginary Grail War?
*Not necessary the same ones (different copies, y'all). Which combination of Master/Servant would be have more chances to beat Team Overkill? Avalon or Plot Armor, not Allowed :P
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2011-12-21, 03:46 | Link #3974 | |
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Yeah, but it would make it harder for a random lucky swing to lop his arm off before he gets Ea. |
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2011-12-21, 03:48 | Link #3975 | |
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Master: Someone with A LOT of mana, let's say Terra (Earth) is made a Master because she's pissed off at us for something or other. FS/N Caster - Rule Breaker: EMIYA Hercules (any class) Saber Iskander True Assassin etc Because I'm pretty sure if I can make that team, I win. GoB has a cost to fire the weapons at the very least, I do not know about just drawing from it but I would imagine even that has a cost. That aside, Gilgamesh was being overwhelmed by a mere human with very low mana to begin with, GoB just hands down losses to UBW in a shoot out before mana even becomes an issue, apparently.
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2011-12-21, 04:21 | Link #3976 | |
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Caster is a good pick, but would she even be able to use rule breaker that amount of Servants? Or maintain a Berserker...
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2011-12-21, 04:41 | Link #3977 | |
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If I'm not allowed to have my super-hacks, just have Caster (FS/N) under Ilya. Hide Ilya. Steal Iskander and EMIYA as Rider and Archer, and I'm pretty sure you're good to go. Ionian equipped with Caliburn? Yes, please. Gil will have to use Ea on Ionian, leaving him open to an attack from UBW. Would be an interesting fight to say the least. That being said, I've always wanted to see what Hercules could do as another class. His lore isn't quite as old as Gilgamesh but is easily the most renowned of any of the spirits in the game/stories. Wouldn't he have powers rivaling Gil because of this? Or am I overestimated Herc?
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2011-12-21, 04:53 | Link #3978 | |
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Iskandar being around is the worst situation, because Gilgamesh would go serious and probably murder Caster first to release his WORTHY ENEMY of that woman's control. He can even hold him with Enkidu for a while, as he releases him (and I can't see Iskandar getting along with Medea at all either, so he would be grateful with a fellow king from releasing him from the witch's control. Since she used Rule Breaker and probably destroyed his real Master? Even worse). One Ea shot destabilizes any Reality Marble (because of the anti world stuff), not only that but if he has backup from Bazett's Fragarach, he doesn't need to focus on the battle (it would kill off any other Servant who would try to defend Caster with trumpcards like UBW... It's not like they would pay attention to Bazett with Gil's spamming blades and shooting ea beams around). Gil is the strongest of the bunch (that we know in FSN Servants, now Nero and her Golden Theater is such a BS Hax that could easily beat down any NP ever, unless, of course she got one of her timely headaches), but he hardly takes stuff seriously (in Ataraxia and against Iskander we see glimpses of this). In Ataraxia, we also see why he's Chaotic Good.
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2011-12-21, 09:04 | Link #3979 |
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I've been wondering lately... What did Gilgamesh do between Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night? Are supposed to assume he spent his time drink wine and eating orphans? 10 years is a pretty long time, it's hard to believe he remained idle for so long.
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2011-12-21, 11:15 | Link #3980 |
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Gilgamesh basically tried all "pleasure" the world could offer, and deemed it to be rotten to the core. That and repleneshing himself with kids souls etc.
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