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LeaD36 · 2014-01-18, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Waven

Look, I'm not saying Hime Doll! is bad but there must be reasons it got axed at chapter 16 while Nisekoi persists until today. You might not read manga for these very reasons but Jump readership apparently does.

Also, the premise of Hime Doll wasn't really that innovative either; to start with tropes like "turn girl into idol" (srsly, there must be thousands of these right now) and "delinquent girl" this was kinda doomed from the start. The only feature where it stood out was the hairstylist part but cmon, did the author really think this would appeal to a shounen audience?

Finally, why are you venting your frustration about it in the Niskoi thread? Seems kinda troll-ish to me.

Cuz there is literally nthn to comment on the current chapters. Instead more promising titles with way more room to improve and a wider array of possible developments get axed. I'm not saying that Hime-doll was a stand-alone title, with a premise that's never been there before (The school system arbitrarily reminds me of Hell's Kitchen). I'm just real sad that Nisekoi has nothing to its name except wacky facial expressions. Double Arts was great, same author, a million times more innovative and interesting. It got axed in the blink of an eye though. I'm not trying to compare Double Arts and Hime-doll in quality, the foundations for both manga were entirely different (well, apart from the whole sticking together thing of the MC's).

I'm just pissed off that this full-on cliché GAG manga actually survives in JUMP. I sometimes wonder what kind of ppl (or rather kids) are the main contributors of the questionnaires.. I'm the type of person that likes being enticed by intricate storylines or identify with the characters i read about. Having a sub-par, makes you smile once a week title is rather obsolete in my opinion. Apparently the (young) japs like this more than stories that may have overly interesting plots, just because they have a somewhat slow start (iirc Double Arts was awesome all the way)

Then again, Bleach is still not getting axed, but that's an entirely separate issue.

Waven · 2014-01-18, 13:12

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Because he paid for it and wasted his time and money? I don't see the problem in people having different opinions regarding reading materials, because if everyone felt the same thing, then there must be something wrong with the book, IMO.

Tsugumi: Protector of Smiles HUEHUEHUEHUE

Well, you didn't get the point of this discussion then. He went on to rant about the cancellation of another series in this thread relating it to Nisekoi almost as if it was the latter's fault. I'm not questioning his issues with Nisekoi in general, several have voiced those before, but he started this with an extremely sore attitude because of another romcom in the same mag getting axed. I'm sry but this is no healthy basis for a discussion.

@LeaD36

The longer a series goes the less the author has the liberty to develop in different directions. Hime Doll was in an extreme early-early stage when it was cancelled. If it got past the 50+, trust me, it would've gotten more and more static and repetitive once the author found out what exactly the readers like about the series. Your misconception is that you compare HD! 16 to Niskoi 100+ .

So you don't like slice of life, which is pretty much the conclusion I'm getting here. There are a lot of mangas out there with a strong dynamic plot and/or interesting features and twists. Sry to say it like that but Hime Doll just wasn't good enough for the current market it seems. If Nisekoi only has whacky faces to it then Hime Doll had nothing, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion in the Nisekoi thread but in a more-than-one-page HD thread.

AC-Phoenix · 2014-01-18, 13:39

The anime makes it awfully look like Chitoge gave Raku the locket the way they drew her hair

hamazura · 2014-01-18, 13:55

so this niseKEY not yet ended... well, only 93 heroine with keys left i think

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-18, 18:22

I wouldn't put too much stock in anything like that quite yet the anime wont reveal things the manga hasn't yet or at least it shouldn't so i'd wait for the keys solution to present itself whatever it may be

Bakaizer · 2014-01-18, 21:26

will the anime end on the romeo and juliet part?

teejmo · 2014-01-18, 23:18

They're not sure yet how long this will go, and considering this is the type of manga that can have a ton of filler episodes when it becomes an anime (heck, half of its chapters are filler), it may last a while.

Amario · 2014-01-19, 11:35

All these fillers. Author should hurry up with the plot....it can't be hard at this point just unlock the pendant if its been fixed (which after more than 50 chapters should have....) and there you have it. Chitoge xD

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-19, 11:59

The problem is there are about 3 or 4 plots all in one. Granted all of them can be ended with one or two moves but their tough moves to make.

Amario · 2014-01-19, 18:02

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

The problem is there are about 3 or 4 plots all in one. Granted all of them can be ended with one or two moves but their tough moves to make.

Originally this series was about the girl who he made a promise to regarding the pendant.

But then 3 heroines (Chitoge, Onodera and Marika) came along with 3 keys which are connected to the story and the promise ....and then the author went and dished out there being a fourth key.

At this point in the manga would not be surprised if another heroine popped up with a key.

Tough move? this manga has felt a lot like Kimi no Iru Machi manga with its constant prolonging.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-19, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Amario

Originally this series was about the girl who he made a promise to regarding the pendant.

But then 3 heroines (Chitoge, Onodera and Marika) came along with 3 keys which are connected to the story and the promise ....and then the author went and dished out there being a fourth key.

At this point in the manga would not be surprised if another heroine popped up with a key.

Tough move? this manga has felt a lot like Kimi no Iru Machi manga with its constant prolonging.

Actually this series was originally about stopping a gang war by making raku and chitoge date that is the 1st plot.
The pendant is a second plot (raku chitoge Onodera Marika and whoever else)
The feelings of the various girls towards Raku. (Chitoge onodera marika Tsugumi, haru) are a third plot
the side characters and their roles (paula, ruri, Shuu) are a 4th plot.
You can resolve the first 3 with a few moves but yea this is getting annoying

Pesti13nce · 2014-01-19, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Amario

Tough move? this manga has felt a lot like Kimi no Iru Machi manga with its constant prolonging.

Not even CLOSE to KNIM... This series has ZERO drama... where as KNIM is has borderline unbelievable over the TOP drama (like now). Nisekoi is nice and light... who cares if there is no plot advancement this series moved on from plot to an over the top funny SOL series.

Putting this and KNIM in the same sentence is even.....wtf..

It's only getting "annoying" cause you guys are actually EXPECTING something to happen, if this series was riddled with drama and stupid like other series i could see it getting "annoying" but it's not... it's light.. it's funny... and it's drama free and it's pretty flippin adorable....

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-19, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Pesti13nce

Not even CLOSE to KNIM... This series has ZERO drama... where as KNIM is has borderline unbelievable over the TOP drama (like now). Nisekoi is nice and light... who cares if there is no plot advancement this series moved on from plot to an over the top funny SOL series.

Putting this and KNIM in the same sentence is even.....wtf..

It's only getting "annoying" cause you guys are actually EXPECTING something to happen, if this series was riddled with drama and stupid like other series i could see it getting "annoying" but it's not... it's light.. it's funny... and it's drama free and it's pretty flippin adorable....

the fact you think there's zero drama shows you really haven't been paying attention at all.

Pesti13nce · 2014-01-19, 20:28

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

the fact you think there's zero drama shows you really haven't been paying attention at all.

I guess coming from a crappy series like KNIM and reading Nisekoi i guess my definition of "drama" is a little different than yours, but yes i see little to nothing that could be defined as "drama" in this series. Unless your considering a bunch of high school girls coming to terms with their love for mc drama or raku trying to figure out this key/pendent situation drama then I guess yes you could call that drama.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-19, 23:19

well we can both agree KNIM is crappy but that's about it

Pesti13nce · 2014-01-20, 00:28

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

well we can both agree KNIM is crappy but that's about it

lol, and we have an understanding.

Kanon · 2014-01-20, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Amario

All these fillers. Author should hurry up with the plot....it can't be hard at this point just unlock the pendant if its been fixed (which after more than 50 chapters should have....) and there you have it. Chitoge xD

Why would he do that? Komi has finally found success with Nisekoi, there's no reason for him to end it early. He's going to make the series last for as long as he can.

II Maestro · 2014-01-20, 09:09

Even if the main point of the story is to know who is the promised girl isn't progressing reading filler chapter still entertaining.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2014-01-20, 09:33

its kinda ironic if you think about it. In anime anything that's not considered part of the manga is filler but in this case the filler is within the manga hm what now.

ices · 2014-01-20, 09:35

The pendant-key problems is a focal point of the story. It's like Naruto
becomes the hokage in Naruto universe. If that plot point solved, there will
be no reason to continue the story. Even if the author continue it by
introducing another key element. It'll feel even more dragged, right? Did we
wanna see this manga ended soon by forwarding this plot point?

Now, what's actually this manga about. The title itself tells that it's about
a Fake Love, Nise-Koi. The fake love between a gangster boss' daughter and
Yakuza leader's son. The act of becomes a lover for three years in
their highschool days. And that's all. This story is based on that premise.

Hence, just enjoy their ride for this three years. Enjoy each of these
characters interactions. The story is moving. Not based on the plot, but based
on their highschool days. That pendant-key, promises of ten years ago, all of
that will be fully revealed when the times comes. And I guess that'll be
before their graduation days.

2014-01-18, 13:39	Link #2103
AC-Phoenix Detective Join Date: Aug 2010 Age: 36	The anime makes it awfully look like Chitoge gave Raku the locket the way they drew her hair __________________ Those who forget about the past are condemned to repeat it - Santayana Sidenote: I'm seemingly too dumb for my current keyboard, so if you see the same character twice in a row, when it doesn't belong there just ignore it.

2014-01-18, 13:55	Link #2104
hamazura whatever Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: wherever	so this niseKEY not yet ended... well, only 93 heroine with keys left i think __________________

2014-01-18, 21:26	Link #2106
Bakaizer Demon Hunter Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ente Isla	will the anime end on the romeo and juliet part? __________________ Friendship and Rivalry. These two have it

2014-01-20, 09:09	Link #2118
II Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Data World	Even if the main point of the story is to know who is the promised girl isn't progressing reading filler chapter still entertaining. __________________

2014-01-18, 18:22	Link #2105
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	I wouldn't put too much stock in anything like that quite yet the anime wont reveal things the manga hasn't yet or at least it shouldn't so i'd wait for the keys solution to present itself whatever it may be

2014-01-18, 23:18	Link #2107
teejmo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013	They're not sure yet how long this will go, and considering this is the type of manga that can have a ton of filler episodes when it becomes an anime (heck, half of its chapters are filler), it may last a while.

2014-01-19, 11:35	Link #2108
Amario Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	All these fillers. Author should hurry up with the plot....it can't be hard at this point just unlock the pendant if its been fixed (which after more than 50 chapters should have....) and there you have it. Chitoge xD

2014-01-19, 11:59	Link #2109
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	The problem is there are about 3 or 4 plots all in one. Granted all of them can be ended with one or two moves but their tough moves to make.

2014-01-19, 23:19	Link #2115
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	well we can both agree KNIM is crappy but that's about it

2014-01-20, 09:33	Link #2119
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	its kinda ironic if you think about it. In anime anything that's not considered part of the manga is filler but in this case the filler is within the manga hm what now.

2014-01-20, 09:35	Link #2120
ices Working Hard Join Date: Sep 2012	The pendant-key problems is a focal point of the story. It's like Naruto becomes the hokage in Naruto universe. If that plot point solved, there will be no reason to continue the story. Even if the author continue it by introducing another key element. It'll feel even more dragged, right? Did we wanna see this manga ended soon by forwarding this plot point? Now, what's actually this manga about. The title itself tells that it's about a Fake Love, Nise-Koi. The fake love between a gangster boss' daughter and Yakuza leader's son. The act of becomes a lover for three years in their highschool days. And that's all. This story is based on that premise. Hence, just enjoy their ride for this three years. Enjoy each of these characters interactions. The story is moving. Not based on the plot, but based on their highschool days. That pendant-key, promises of ten years ago, all of that will be fully revealed when the times comes. And I guess that'll be before their graduation days.