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That's certainly a fascinating viewpoint. Does the same argument apply to the police when they promise not to kill a kidnapper holding someone hostage for decades if he surrenders? After-all. The Kidnapper may not be a good guy, but the police are using the threat of violence to make the guy comply, and they'll likely seize much of the kidnappers property. Are not the police acting as Tyrants? Quote:
edit: And a bit of sarcasm, what with the whole "Oh, don't wanna walk up to my tower to be involved with the meetings you never show up to anyway? Well then why don't you have your servants CARRY you up there instead?"
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2013-05-15, 15:02 | Link #725 | |
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He basically reminded him who the real boss in town was.
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2013-05-15, 15:39 | Link #727 | |
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Though I don't think Tywin is completely ignoring this matter. He IS listening to the intelligence about what's going on across the sea. I think it's just that there's a limit to what they could do about it given that Dany is across the ocean, and the 7 Kingdoms are in the middle of a war. Dany would be on the look out for assassins due to the last failed attempt, and he can't spare an army. The real purpose behind this line of conversation is to remind Joffrey that the adults will handle everything. Cause after with the whole SNAFU with Ned's beheading, Tywin isn't going to trust Joffrey with any real authority.
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The Southern leaders feared Lincoln would stop slavery once he became the President, so they declared their secession. The North went to war to preserve the Union. Quote:
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Of course legalistic interpretations of legitimate authority didn't determine whether or not the South could secede or not. Raw power did. Quote:
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Well the sole distinction is winning. The Targaryens were foreign barbarian invaders. But then they won. Which turned their invasion into centuries of "lawful" rule. Even when there was a rebellion against them, you notice that the rebels nominated Robert Baratheon, due to his house having the most Targaryen blood in it. And what was the distinction between Robert being a rebel and the rightful king? Well because Robert won. Yunkai claiming "lawful authority" as defense looks pretty meager when they're staring at 8,000 unsullied spears.
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I stopped by a JR HS/Elementary school on my way to work, and I realized, if you super-impose those little 10-14 years old in place of HBO's actors and actresses, a lot of the scenes would look so different. Dany and Sansa would be a lot more forgivable with their actions if they were children, Sansa's character would make a lot more sense and forgivable if you realize she is just a little kid. So do Dany's anti-slave war. (Imagine a tiny blonde girl sitting on that divan meeting the Yunkai driver) Of course, it would be hilarious to watch Jamie the King slayer offer to duel a 14 years old Robb who probably have trouble picking up his sword |
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2013-05-16, 19:26 | Link #736 |
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Tywin needs to maintain formality. Joffrey is technically his king. He can't treat Joffrey the same way he treats his children. He has to maintain and official vestige of respect, while also reminding Joffrey who is really in charge.
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Think of it this way: What if the South didn't declare secession, they stayed and somehow they managed to keep slavery legal? Do you think the North would start a war to free slaves? |
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2013-05-16, 22:23 | Link #738 | |
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We can argue morality but in the end it boils down to the fact that she is a conqueror; she has no need to justify her reasons. I think her reasoning is much better than Aegon, who came to Westeros and killed many people just for power, and many other conquerors in real world history. Certainly, the North didn't go to war to free slaves during the Civil War. Similarly western nations didn't go to war in World War II to help Jewish people being killed, many of them hated Jews almost as much as the Nazi's. A good question is not if their actions were legally correct but if were they morally.
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Though I REALLY want you to think about something Hitenma. Where do you think the city of Yunkai got all its slaves from? A good chunk of them were probably enslaved in military campaigns. Sure Yunkai probably didn't do fighting themselves, they probably just bought them off someone else. But isn't that still subsidizing and helping to finance military campaigns against other people? You can't hit Dany for being a tin pot conqueror. Yunkai's entire economy is built around subsidizing and financing tin pot conquerors to sell them slaves. It's like murderous gangsters calling foul and citing the rules of law when another group of gangsters comes in and starts pushing them around. Quote:
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Of course this is beside the point. Dany isn't interested at all in preserving the political stability of the various city states in this region that use slaves. Their petty concerns don't matter to her. She's morally affronted by slavery, so she's going to use her army to do something about it.
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