2010-07-13, 16:55 | Link #3041 | |
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Anyway, suit-Beatrice always seems to be strictly a piece (never gets involved in the meta-world)... |
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2010-07-13, 17:03 | Link #3042 |
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I just finished reading the episode and i have one big doubt about it, and i don't know if really is something difficult or it's just me that can't understand it.
First of all, i acknowledge that the whole episode is just saying "Shkannon Theory is true" and i see many people on this forum agrees with it. So let's say they really are the same person with DID or whatever. How does this help us with the Battler's closed room? So, Battler ends up closed in the room. Note that the guest room, is more like a "sacrifice" room, meaning that one person must always be inside it. So Battler needs help Let's assume that Kanon (that is actually Shannon) jumped from the window of the room next over (on a side note, why no blue truth could be used about it?) dashed to Battler's guest room, and saved him entering the room himself. But then... # Kanon does not exist inside the guest room. ...Naturally this includes the closet, the bedroom, and the bathroom in their entirety. Than what happened? We know for certain that Battler couldn't get out from there by himself. Why Kanon could? Even if he is just a split personality, his (or "her") body entered the room, so there was definetly someone in there. How did he leave? Why of 2 different people, Battler couldn't exit while Kanon could? |
2010-07-13, 17:05 | Link #3044 |
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I think it's just an art conceit. We had Suit Beato, Dress Beato, Hair-Down Dress Beato, and now we need a new Beato that hasn't been portrayed yet, so we get Hair-Down Suit Beato.
I'm chalking it up to it being easier to just cut and paste the "Hair-Down Beato Heads" on the Suit Beato Bodies.
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2010-07-13, 17:07 | Link #3045 |
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Most answers say that Kanon is dead so he doesn't exist (which we know is true from Kinzo). And it's basically the same with Shkanon. There is really no difference to their reason except that it's a personality that dies instead. So the solution there is really trivial.
But this is the part where I would think there is hope. Yes, Kanon rescued Battler, but he said he was going to stay there in his place in this surprised Battler. However Battler was supposed to solve it by himself anyway. So say Kanon already knew the answer for how he could escape without an extra person. How'd he do it?
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2010-07-13, 17:08 | Link #3046 | |
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2010-07-13, 17:22 | Link #3049 | |
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I found all this VERY lame, it seems just something to fool the red truth, and piece-character shouldn't know anything about it. Also the part when he (she) can change his personality at will also sounds very strange. Oh and still, why is that Dlanor sealed the blue truths on the windows? Assuming that the answer is that it was used to escape how could she seal it? It really seems like you can't say the right answer, as Ange suggested |
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2010-07-13, 17:25 | Link #3051 |
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@Sneisk No you are not the only one who thinks that there are more people than you think that don't like that solution. We only give opposing solutions like Kanon= Kinzo to satisfy the shkanon theorists.
To be fair I just want to leave that closed room as is. It's an ultimate closed room Beatrice created what right do we have to destroy it?
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2010-07-13, 17:25 | Link #3052 |
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But how else can we explain it? Erika has been doing inexplicable actions since EP5.
And Battler's initial strategy to solve the logic room was equally ridiculous. How did he know about the seals? How Kyrie know about the situation? Why in the hell would she swap with Battler? Why Battler set up the trap in the bathroom? There is simply no logic.
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2010-07-13, 17:28 | Link #3053 | |
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2010-07-13, 17:32 | Link #3054 |
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Even putting gameboard logic aside, all the pieces seems to be acting in a way to fool the red truth. I could understand this to be done by Erika or Battler, who are also Meta-Characters (and still her action make actually no sense) but why Shkannon would act this way?
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2010-07-13, 17:33 | Link #3055 | |
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I did try to make a more logical explanation for this earlier: Spoiler for Vaguely logical:
It's still odd, but Battler does say afterwards that he thinks Beatrice's trick is silly, and not a mystery. |
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2010-07-13, 17:38 | Link #3056 |
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EDIT: nevermind Leafsnail already explained perfectly.
Erika never checked for the existance of a Kanon Disguise too. She SPECIFICALLY LOOKED FOR KANON. Plus: the seals on the windows cannot be guaranteed to be intact in red because ERIKA COULD NOT CHECK THEM FROM THE OUTSIDE, and the Game ended before she could do it. You cannot use blue DIRECTLY to assert that the seals are broken because of the Shroedinger Cat theory: unless you check, they can be supposed to be still intact and broken in the same time. INDIRECTLY, with the use of the Kanon/Shannon trick, you can assert that Kanon went out without having to question the integrity of the seal in the room Shannon was in. Also indirecty, it asserts the fact that both the seals could have been broken. Last edited by m0h; 2010-07-13 at 17:51. |
2010-07-13, 17:43 | Link #3059 | |
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2010-07-13, 17:45 | Link #3060 |
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I wouldn't've said so. If Shkannon is no longer Kanon and is now Shannon, you could quite legitimately say that "Kanon is not here".
And Kanon would still exist there even if he killed himself in the closet. And I don't think the change of clothes is necessary for a change in personality, if noone sees them... |
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