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Why a tree would smell like Silvia to Kagura is another matter. I bet there are a lot of cracked out possibilities! Despite appearances, we don't yet have any firm confirmation either that Kagura is Apollo or part of him, or that he's correct about Mikono smelling like Sylvie. But let's say he is correct. What if it's like Mayumi suggested earlier about Silvia gaining Tree of Life powers because of what happened at the end of Genesis, only in reverse? The Tree of Life could have gained Sylvia's scent. Or maybe Mikono is part Tree of Life, part Silvia? In which case there would have to be another part of Silvia somewhere. Maybe Zessica. Quote:
Mikono doesn't have to be the Tree of Life: if the Tree really is in the cast and is the "True Eve", it could be someone else. But I like the Mikono-the-tree theory a lot in light of what happened by the graves, with her connection power (...that sounds a lot like composting people...) and the way she went "All of you are going to be born again! And I'll be waiting for you!". It adds a nice extra layer of meaning to if she's the tree. |
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I've never heard of dogs who cannot recognize their own odor. Even if the end result is that the two are somehow splits, the reasoning as being presented thus far is a blind grasping of straws. But this is all besides the point, mostly. Quote:
Why would Sylvia, further more, need to be gaining powers of a tree when what Mikono has displayed could, again, very easily be a symbolic throwback to Sylvia's own important role at the end of the OS?
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But more than that, remember what Mykage said about Alicia's child: that he has golden eyes and golden hair. Amata doesn't have golden eyes, but Kagura does. It's a big hint that there could be a link between them. Personally, I think that and things the series creators have said about it being possible to split people up into different parts in reincarnation (soul, body, etc) point to the Amata and Kagura as the same person theory. Of course, your theory seems to be that Amata really doesn't smell at all. And there's quite a fun theory that Amata is not a human with a real body but is actually a spirit body projection of some sort. There's a similar theory for Zen being a projection. It would be strange for both of them to make it through so long without anybody noticing, let alone Amata, that they literally don't smell of anything. On the other hand, this is Aquarion. It's not known for its incredible logical consistency. Sirius being half of Celiane wasn't foreshadowed in any adequate way, but that's still what happened. We have to be prepared for the series to troll us all good. Quote:
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It's hard to reduce those things to simple "objects" anyway: both the Tree and the Wings are organic things, and quite different types of organic things at that. The Wings used to be a part of an angel, and the Tree is, well, a tree. A magic tree, but a tree nonetheless. If we were talking about two pairs of torn-off angel wings or two pairs of lifegiving trees, that would be different. Quote:
Not sure what you mean in the latter paragraph there about Silvia needing to gain tree powers. But yes, it is entirely possible that the ep 14 scene with Mikono was a reference to Silvia and the connection powers she gained at the end of Genesis. There is even a theory on the previous page that Silvia's spirit entering the Tree of Life at that time was what gave her the connection power. Ever since the connection powers thing came out, it has been considered a big hint that Mikono could be Silvia. |
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2012-04-14, 17:13 | Link #404 |
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Yeah, I'd expect the smells to be a fakeout of some kind (e.g. either *not* actually based upon past-life identity, or the "Kagura can't smell Amata because he smells the same) than I'd expect them to be consistent enough to use to guess important plot points ahead of time.
However, from the concept art in the other thread: Mykage's castle looks like it's build into a tree. In the show its hard to tell, but it's pretty easy to spot in the concept art. Does the tree of life look like a real tree? |
2012-04-14, 17:40 | Link #405 |
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yes, tree of life was a tree. a beautiful one. however toma and the angels had to kidnap human and feed prana to the tree. the people were held in pods on the tree of life, as it sucked their life-force but not completely killing them either.
for it to survive the wings of aquarion had to make it bloom. however stuff happened and it withered away instead which lead to earth and angel world to almost collapse. then silvia entered the tree and became the connecting force for the 3 vectors. |
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Basically, Occam's Razor: Kagura and Mikono have shown all the signs of being X and Y, they even have the connecting theme on which X left Y at the end of story Z. (Also considering how far we are in the story, I don't expect this to suddenly change as Kagura has basically gone through every single cast member short of Crea and Fudo, and some of the bridge bunnies I guess.) The fishy detail, as mike pointed out, is that Mykage's throne is a tree and (further) that Altair's design is actually very tree like (go look at the concept art, it looks like a metal tree with the leaves being panels). In fact, you can easily fit this into story if you look at it this way. Altair and its design are the tree of life as set up by Mykage and, likely, the desperation of Altair's people to prevent their world's collapse. What does Izumo want? A powerful element to revitalize the planet (tree). What does Mykage want? Sousei no Aquarion which will brings it pollen to said tree. So, no reincarnations as tree but food for said tree.
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Since the discussion turned toward Mikono and the tree of life I'll post again my previous theory Anyways one point seems clear, Mikono so far looks like to be the key of whatever. Being her Silvia/Sylvie or being her the tree of life/eve. That seems to follow pretty well Mykage words back in episode #? that Vena resumed
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And all in all so far it is only Mikage, through Kagura, that has been implying Mikono past legacy. Ceyenne's vision alone doesn't imply any relations of her with reincarnations. It could imply even a Wings/tree theory and its consequences (didn't the tree die?). And another skill of dogs, other than its nose, is that is very good at being trained. (half joke, half not) ETA: just read Vena last post and took note of the Altair tree-like conformation that seems to be relevant. mmm
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2012-04-15, 15:40 | Link #411 |
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Vena: do you mean Altair's design as a planet or like the various Altair logos/crests/whatever? To my eyes a lot of Altair's symbols work as either "tree of life" imagery (their "crest") or as "wings" imagery (their crosses and "crest" both work for this). Everything is very suspicious, and episode 16 sure didn't help clear much up.
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-------- Going by this episode, it took us 16 episodes for *love* to actually enter the cockpit of Aquarion. So... for the last whatever amount of time that Amata and Mikono have been in there, they've been... teasing each others interests? This writing is either going to turn out brilliantly where Amata and Mikono's infatuation with each other turns out to be a total trollolol, or its just painfully bad. Given that Okada doesn't seem to like Mikono, I wouldn't be to surprised to see the former. Some reincarnations shenanigans... and of course they make it a point to have Mikono focus on familiarity with what she sees while Amata and Zessica have no clue who anyone is (aside from Fudo for being obviously Fudo). Blah blah blah, somehow it will turn out that Zessica is Sylvia, Amata is batman, and Kagura was actually a tentacruel in disguise. Mikono is secretly a parasect. That said, seems pretty obvious where we go from here: Spoiler for Next Ep:
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Or Okada cannot write romance at all. Or AmataxMikono will overcome some drastic changes to make is a bit interesting, heart-warming.(I doubt it) I was just throwing some speculations here. I'm not sure of anything anymore. XD |
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2012-04-15, 16:50 | Link #415 |
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Vena: ah, I see what you mean. I'm not sure I actually see it though -- Altair's canopy seems to be planet-wide -- but at least locally it does have a tree-ish look to it.
That is an interesting point about Amata-Mikono up until now, although apparently Spoiler for episode 16:
Conjecture: Izumo will defect to Vega, possibly with Alisia in tow. Speculation: I'm starting to think that "Skies of Aquaria"'s historical inaccuracies are going to have more in-story significance than just "well, that happened a long time ago so the details got blurry". It might just be narrative convenience, but it seems a bit fishy how little trace of Apollo and Sylvia the movie seems to have. Did Zen lay a trap for the unwise? Does this relate to the "Forbidden Loves" we've seen? Guesswork: Spoiler for reincarnations:
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As for the trap, I honestly have no clue what's going on there. How did Kagura keep the detail of smell from Apollo (even if he mucked up the names) when that detail didn't exist in the movie? How does Mikono keep the detail of said smell, when that too did not exist in the movies?
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2012-04-15, 17:00 | Link #417 |
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It'd be great if Andy lampshaded that while talking to Amata. "Hey Amata, has it ever occurred to you that you've been doing a lot of piloting with Mikono, but the two of you have never
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On a different note, momentarily, Apollo and Sylvia, in OS< being love-love caused vision. By this reasoning, clearly, Zessica is a cross-incarnation of both!
On the other side of the coin, if the two are truly only infatuated with each other for some *insert reasons here* and that the feelings do stop there, we might get an explanation for how Mikono can have her heart sway for two different guys. 2/4ch sure are getting pretty absurd.
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It dovetails nicely with Mikono's own issues -- as, after all, more than anything else she seems to be searching for some validation of her own self worth -- and both Zessica and Kagura slot into that dynamic in interesting ways: Spoiler for ep 16 references:
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2012-04-15, 17:47 | Link #420 |
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you know it could have been shu shu who triggered the vision. i know its troll but it clearly says "suki" and then vision and interdimensional mugen punch comes on screen.
it could also mean apollo-silvia had "pure feelings" like zessica's are described in those spoilers. while mikono-amata was first crush. no matter how annoying apollo-silvia were they never really got to experience any thing like how apollonius-celiane did. apollonius-s celiane even had a family while they continued fighting the angels. so maybe they want to kill the fan base of silvia-apollo claiming they just had pure feelings for each other but not reall a deep love story like apollonius-celiane. bah. so amata can oversome destiny and win mikono while zessica rules altair by herself. |
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