2009-10-23, 08:03 | Link #81 | |||
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Let's say in general, I tolerate the eating of meat, mostly because I can't just abolish it over night. xD And I respect the person behind the opinion, of course. Well... in most cases.
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2009-10-23, 08:16 | Link #82 | |
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What I meant by it is that even though there is not a bible swinging Christian at the top as soon as there are things said that is about religion and it being bad, specially if it is a high ranked person saying this he will raged by the population that believes that Christ is the savior The influence of Rome is still pretty large at scale here in Europe, remember that If the pope in Italy says that the people there are not allowed to eat meat then they will do it If a random person yells at the people to do this then they will proclaim him a fool cause it has always been this way since the old days If that person then yells they should stop eating meat because we are all equal and the bible is wrong he will get stones thrown at his head Religion is not always in sight but it is everywhere and it influences every little decision a government or person can make It isn't just the bible and God and all that stuff it is what you believe and your own morals The thing is people have always been eating meat and it has always been part of civilization, it is part of who we as a people are The only thing that has changed is the way the animals have been killed, instead of spear and rock we now use factory methods (but also some good methods that make sure the animal hasn't been cramped in a space all its life) It is hard to get rid of a pre-programmed lifestyle that has been around for millions of years, specially in regions where eating meat is a daily and cultural activity. Cooking meals is a family thing in Italy, it is tradition to have meat added and tradition to make meat as well. Meat is part of religion is some cultures like the sacrificing of a lamb and eating its meat However among current people religion and tradition have been thrown out of the window and people do what they want and forget about culture and history We respect that as a new generation, but don't expect the older ones who have never dealt with anyone refusing what they believe as tradition to accept and respect that As a new generation we care little of what you eat and don't eat, however start swinging that vegan burger as a bible and a vast majority will stand strong for cultural beliefs and tradition I don't see eating meat as a bad thing, as long as you respect the animal But I don't think you can judge a person eating meat because to be honest you are the newb in a vast world of tradition and religion, some people don't know how to deal with a newb but if he starts spamming we all know what the admin will do I don't mean anything bad with this post though, it is merely random ranting |
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2009-10-23, 08:23 | Link #83 | |||
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I see your point, however, I never said I expected anything - just that I believe that regardless of tradition and religion, some things are right and others are not.
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2009-10-23, 08:53 | Link #84 |
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If you think eating meat is 'morally' wrong you might want to examine the root of said morality in the first place. If you consider how venerated the animals hunter-gatherers killed for food were (example the bison by many Native American tribes) you would have trouble thinking of it as murder, or at least I do anyways.
Personally, I follow a paleolithic-inspired dietary regime for health reasons, so I eat some form of dead animal with every meal. I love the taste and my favorite meat is probably American Bison, but Crocodile was very good as well (only had it once). I also eat a lot of seafood (depends on how you define 'meat' to include that) which is oftentimes the healthiest food nature has to offer (look up the nutritional content in a can of sardines, now that's a bargain for the price). I also try to buy grass-fed/free-range/local/organic meats as often as possible, people aren't exagerrating when they say it tastes better; it really does (and the nutritional content also changes, for example grass-fed beef has far higher omega-3 fatty acid content than grain-fed, as well as higher protein). And since I also love cooking my own meals, the meat I eat is always fresh and in better condition than pre-made meat items you might buy. |
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However, that was back then. In some cultures, it might be necessary to leave the weak and elderly to rot. However, the moment it's not about survival anymore, it becomes a different matter. Also, murder is generally committed in cold-blood and without the need to preserve one's own life.
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And even if that wasn't the case, it can be considered "making life worth living". Our lifestyle is often harmful to people in poorer countries. Does that mean they shouldn't have rights at all, since we can never do them justice? Quote:
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2009-10-23, 09:32 | Link #88 | |||
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By the way, human are animal so we're just like any other animal in this aspect : we eat other animal for surviving. And futhermore, you're saying that killing animal is bad but when you're vegetarian you're killing life too even if it's not in the same form but for you it's not something wrong ?
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2009-10-23, 09:35 | Link #89 |
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Simply having a nervous system doesn't make humans and animals the same. Similarly, animals and plants are both living beings, but they are not the same. It is the difference in our consciousness that separates animals from plants, and humans from either.
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2009-10-23, 09:36 | Link #90 | |
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2009-10-23, 09:49 | Link #92 | |
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Slavery and discrimination is another factor influenced by religion, because white over rules black in some patterns (I don't agree let me make that clear, do NOT call em a racist I am merely pointing out things from another person's view back in those days) However back then when you'd raise your eyebrow you'd be killed or judged for being one of them this is why you cannot compare that situation to being a vegetarian or not, you do not get killed for being a vegetarian in this modern world because the generation that lives now has learned to accept each other and accept each others beliefs Remember that it took several wars before people realized as a majority that slavery was bad and it costs millions of lives before they said that it was forbid same goes with racism Modern age is not comparable with history, however the generation of that time is still living and right now we are at a border crossing point, the old generation is slowly passing away and makes room for the generation that is now in which people are more curious or rather much do not care what another person does There will always be judgmental people, that is for everything you can think of, you get judged every day not just for being a vegetarian or a meat eater it is when you look beyond these parts and understand why a person does something that you might learn to live with them and not think of them as being bad The difference between then and now is that you do not get killed that quickly for being something (well in some countries you do ofc we all know that but again religious factor, ding ding XD) And only if vegetarians starts a civil war would eating meat be completely forbidden but I don't see that happening any time soon You didn't read the other line, religion isn't only about believing in a God or heaven/hell you can believe and throw that damn bible out the window and think that the afterlife will be nothing It is about morals and values, for example if yuo think black is equal to white that is what you believe In your own belief all of men is equal that is what I call religion, not what a book says but how you life your daily life and how you view others and yourself |
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2009-10-23, 09:52 | Link #93 |
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I'm a little surprised at the amount of people who have said chicken is their favorite meat in this thread. I would have suspected beef to be the most common preference. From Mediterranean food, I'd probably say lamb is probably my favorite, but I don't get to eat it too much. Although I haven't gotten a chance to try delicacies like snake.
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If it's not for survival, then yes, I think it certainly is.
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vegans eat nothing of an animal, no cheese no eggs nothing that comes from an animal A classmate of mine is vegan, he doesn't even wear shoes made of leather or any kind of animal here's a nice link about the different kinds of vegetarians =) http://vegetarian.about.com/od/veget...TypesofVeg.htm edit: and yes I know it isn't just from Christianity, the religion that stole a whole lot of things from older religions =) it is religion as a mass, not just Christianity |
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2009-10-23, 11:59 | Link #100 |
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If Vegans were a species of cow I'd eat em'
eating meat is built into every human dna since the dawn of man, denying that is an atrocity to nature itself. It's like having a lion choose cherry gelatin over a gazelle.
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