2011-02-01, 15:58 | Link #21822 | |
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- 'Kinzo is dead at the starting time for all games - Kinzo doesn't exist Looks like I forgot about them. |
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2011-02-01, 16:07 | Link #21824 | |||
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It's like Beatrice saying "I used magic to lock the door and kill Jessica!" Only for the door to not have been locked and Jessica to be sipping tea inside bein' all "Sup dawgs." Quote:
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2011-02-01, 16:08 | Link #21825 | |
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I'm not fundamentally opposed to a Kanontrice theory (actually I'd prefer it if it worked), but that theory first has to overcome the timeline issue regarding Shannon's age, and second has to provide an explanation for the Love Duel.
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2011-02-01, 16:11 | Link #21826 |
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Err, ep.7 heavily implies that Shanon is actually Yasu's imaginary friend who exhibits all the perfect qualities a maid should have. The scene where Yasu becomes a witch and erases Shanon's memory is a perfect example of this. Hell, that's the scene that practically confirms it.
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2011-02-01, 16:14 | Link #21827 | |
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2011-02-01, 16:15 | Link #21828 | |
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2011-02-01, 16:21 | Link #21829 |
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I'm not really familiar with the specifics of Kanontrice theories, so pardon me if this question seems silly, but whats the explanation for the "Yasu becomes a witch and Shanon forgets she ever had a roommate" scene? That Yasu/ real Shanon were never roommates and the scene where Shanon suddenly wakes up is revealing that fact?
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2011-02-01, 16:21 | Link #21830 | |
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lets assume that yasu and shannon was the same person. who is kanon then? how did he disappear from battler's closed room? |
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2011-02-01, 16:38 | Link #21832 |
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Well, as for the timeline issue, I wouldn't call it Kanontrice: the theory by no means assumes Shannon isn't who we suppose she is. At worst, it makes Kanon a kind of accomplice. At best, it becomes Shannon & Kanontrice. I can't give an explicit answer about the Love Duel, as there is simply not enough evidence. This is not to say conjectures are impossible, however. It's not like the Shkanon interpretation of the Love Duel is the immediate conclusion - it's a conjecture as any other.
I can try my luck. For example, let us assume that scene discusses the first four episodes (and perhaps the true events) rather than EPs 5-6. Let us assume we are to interpret it such that Shannon (the real person) killed Kanon (the real person). With the exception of one 'trouble red' from EP4, the reds work here, from what I've seen. As for the motive... perhaps we can relate it to the events of EP2? Remember that scene where Kanon was killed in EP1? Perhaps he discovered 'Beatrice' and could not accept it ('stop toying with people's emotions!', he says). But is this a satisfying answer? I'm not so sure. If I had the patience to seriously consider it, I would start with EPs 2 and 6, and see what I can construct from there. Maybe someone else has an idea? |
2011-02-01, 16:42 | Link #21833 | |||
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So I'd go ahead and assume that they are all solvable, even if only by Umineko's distorted definition of solved. |
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2011-02-01, 16:43 | Link #21834 | ||
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2011-02-01, 16:43 | Link #21835 | |
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The problem that comes up with this theory is "why did Shannon continue to be a servant for ten years if she's not Yasu?"
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2011-02-01, 16:54 | Link #21837 | |
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The broader question would be the complete lack of aging, of course, but write that one off the same way as flashback Battler not looking 12 and you can explain it all with laziness! Or not.
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2011-02-01, 17:10 | Link #21839 | |
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hanyuu's existence can be considered a fantasy right? |
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2011-02-01, 17:15 | Link #21840 | |
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But then it occurs to me that Yasu wrote her message bottles starting in 1984 and the characters' ages might be off by X amount, depending on whether we got the raw stories or the "what if the game was run on the island in 1986" version. I'm not sure if that helps though.
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