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Alto x VF 171 | 32 | 12.31% | |
Ozma x Bobby | 13 | 5.00% | |
Ranka x Sheryl | 42 | 16.15% | |
Sheryl x Alto | 199 | 76.54% | |
Yasaburo x Alto | 5 | 1.92% | |
Ranka x Ai-kun | 38 | 14.62% | |
Alto x Klan | 14 | 5.38% | |
Ranka x Alto | 54 | 20.77% | |
Ranka x Brera | 37 | 14.23% | |
Klan x Michael | 101 | 38.85% | |
Ozma x Cathy | 111 | 42.69% | |
Luca x Nanase | 41 | 15.77% | |
Wilder x Monica | 41 | 15.77% | |
Alto x VF25 | 37 | 14.23% | |
Yasaburo x Alto's father | 10 | 3.85% | |
Alto x Brera | 18 | 6.92% | |
Grace x Ranka | 12 | 4.62% | |
Nanase x Ranka | 21 | 8.08% | |
Sheryl x Klan | 24 | 9.23% | |
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Kudos for taking the time listing down your gist towards Ranka. Here's the list of Ranka's actions that you think unrealistic/irrational. I bolded my reply.
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2008-07-24, 00:34 | Link #1103 | ||
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What can I say, I was young(er), foolish and I really like red-heads. Magnus |
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2008-07-24, 01:23 | Link #1104 |
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I hope you're not looking to me for a rebuttal of a rebuttal, cause it ain't going to happen. 1 long ass post is enough to satisfy me for a couple of months.
But there are a couple of interesting topics I want to address: 1. Ranka's rebellious tendacies. Some would argue that her fight with Ozma was an act of teenage rebellion because he didn't want her participating in the pageant. I'd argue that it is simply a parent-child fight because the arguement is happening after the fact. They are not arguing whether or not she should compete, instead they are arguing over the fact that she got suspended. Ranka is not challenging Ozma's perceptions and expectations, she's throwing pots, pans, knives, and Minmei dolls b/c Ozma insulted her and hurt her feelings. Now if they had this arguement before the Miss Macross pageant and Ranka still went forward to compete, then I'd say that was an act of a rebellious teenager. There is only 1 instance where Ranka rebels against someone else's preconceptions of her and that's when she takes up Michael's challenge at Folmo mall. I thought there was going to be a 2nd rebellious event based on her complaints that Ozma treats her like a child, but that act never materialized. 2. Ranka "the high school student" is a completely undeveloped character. Aside from wearing a uniform and saying "hello, I'm your fellow high school classmate" there are no other character developments to back this up. This is a real problem b/c the other 4 high school students (Nanase, Alto, Michael, and Luca) have all had their student background fleshed out. You see them participate in school activities, hang around classrooms, interact with other students (to a degree), discuss their education, etc. There wasn't a whole lot of screen time dedicated to this kind of character development but it was enough that the 3 supporting characters have a more solid foundation as high school students than the main female character. Even Sheryl, who wasn't even a student when the series started, has a more developed high school background than Ranka at this point. I find that to be a huge problem if the audience is expected to view Ranka to be of the same age and maturity level as the other teenage characters. Last edited by cerrian; 2008-07-24 at 01:36. |
2008-07-24, 02:28 | Link #1105 | |
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I don't really care about long posts so long as I can get my point across.
Rebellion= refusal to accept some authority or code or convention. Ozma and Ranka are brother and sister legally. This is what she did in episode 5. She went against Ozma. She rebelled. I don't think this is just an interpretation. Quote:
I also disagree with Sheryl having a more developed high school background than Ranka. lol I mean, how did Sheryl, who never had a former high school, have a more developed high school background than Ranka? The schooling takes place offscreen. I never saw Ranka's former school, yet I have a clear idea of what kind of school it was. High school has little focus in the story simply because the plot doesn't lie in their high school life. If you look at Ranka's blog, Nanase's talking about a group study with Alto and the gang. Ranka's blog and all the random things she pours there are, sad to say, a typical teenager musing. Shallow. It's rare to see teenagers put meaningful stuffs in their journal 24/7. Atleast it's rare here in my environment.
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2008-07-26, 01:17 | Link #1107 | ||
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Btw Ani d: How many predictions have you gotten correct in relationship endings for series? Last edited by jho; 2008-07-26 at 01:17. Reason: Bolding |
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2008-07-26, 01:26 | Link #1108 |
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ani_d thinks she got the Sheryl is a bridge bunny prediction right because Sheryl went to the bridge. That's about it.
I think Michael is about as neutral as Sheryl is going to get. Everyone else in the show obviously supports Ranka, but he at least seems to notice her feelings. We also need to discuss Alto's reaction to Brera. Some (won't say who) are taking it as solely jealously towards his relationship with Ranka. Others, like myself, are taking it as a huge combination of things. Re : Geass. I don't think Geass ever had the love triangle some fans think it did. C.C. was pretty much obvious from the first episode of the first season. Episode 16... Sheryl hasn't done a super move, but for all of Ranka's super move not much has changed at all between the three of them. |
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Seriously, how can you be a neutral when you're closer to the other side than the other? As for the other issues like BreraxAlto jealousy etc etc...I'll leave that for next time. I'm done for tonight. -_-
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2008-07-26, 10:03 | Link #1110 | |
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2008-07-26, 12:29 | Link #1111 | |
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Yet, with such an obvious Ranka x Berera interaction here, I have not seen you post a similar tirade about Ranka x Berera. Although as a Ranka shipper, you probably won't touch that pairing with a 10ft pole, but to the rest of us, it doesn't really help convince the rest of us that you are being objective, but someone who prefers to watch everything with shipper lenses, and nitpick everything that would otherwise affect your desired shipping arrangements. - Tak
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2008-07-26, 12:41 | Link #1112 | |
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2008-07-26, 13:39 | Link #1113 |
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Why would anyone want Ranka to end up with a jerk like Alto anyway? He's a dick. I'm a Ranka fan who wants her to grow on her own, it would make my day to see her realise that Alto isn't the guy she thought he was and basically dumps his ass, but too bad that won't happen like that.
I say let Brera and Ranka rekindle their sibling relationship, and Sherly and Alto can go whine about Brera and Ranka being better a pilot/singer than them together. |
2008-07-26, 14:28 | Link #1114 |
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I don't quite understand the point of this debate over which couple Michael is "shipping", if any. How is that relevant?
If Ranka's got a team of people setting her up on the romantic front, and another team of people who are giving her a massive promotions blitz while trying to poison off/sabotage her competition, what exactly is Ranka doing? Aside from falling back on her innate powers, that is. Ranka's on a very slippery slope right now. Deep down she realizes that she's selling out by serving Grace and co. (which shows in her singing of Aimo), but she doesn't have the willpower to stand up against it. Sooner or later, she's going to have to face up to that and set things right. Having all the friends in the world doesn't matter, if you're willing to let them be discarded. You can wear the same outfits, you can deliver the same lines, but you just can't mimic strength of character. That's something Ranka's going to have to build on her own, without outside help. Then the real character development will begin. |
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2008-07-26, 14:40 | Link #1116 | |
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2008-07-26, 15:32 | Link #1117 | |
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Ranka's not sure what's right. The government and Grace are telling her one thing, that she's needed to protect Frontier. Everyone is cheering her on, calling her their freakin' savior. Hell, even Alto is onboard with the whole "Kill'em all! There can only be one!" crowd. The only one who's actually asked her what she wanted to do, with implied support one way or another is Ozma. And add to that her own personal experiences with the Vajra which range from a child-hood trauma that she's told involved the complete annilation of her immediate family, and the seemingly empathetic experience she had with them while being a captive, she just doesn't know. And no one is either able or willing to help her figure it out. Although I'm sure Alto will say or do something that's completely out of context to her current problem, such as folding a plane or yelling crazily at a fire hudrant or something. Or Sheryl will strike that same ole stupid stuck up pose of hers and say some generic inspirational line that has absolutely no real advice to it. So she's got mixed feelings, she's not sure what's right, her loved ones are supposedly in immediate and deadly danger, and people keep telling her, cheering her in fact, that she's doing the right thing, won't give her a straight answer, or are outright lying to her. Everybody, and I mean, everybody, on Frontier thinks the Vajra are simple monsters. Ranka's the only one with any apparent doubts, and when you're in that kind of situation, with all the glory, fame, and righteousness supposedly laid out on the path before you, you'd have to be super human or a plain idiot to turn it down. |
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2008-07-26, 16:10 | Link #1118 |
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I'm not talking about blame here. I'm talking about growth.
Ranka's intentions are no doubt good. The problem is that the ends don't justify the means. Elmo stood by Ranka through thick and thin. Ranka knew that it was wrong to ditch him (since she did raise the issue), but she didn't have the strength to stand up for him. Most people can see the slippery slope, but few have the strength to consistantly hold their course to the high ground. That's what strength of character is all about. There are things that are obviously outside of her control. It would be silly to say that Ranka's allowing herself to be a lapdog for Grace any more than it would Sheryl, since even the viewers don't have a clue about what Grace's plans really are. But Ranka's been given some clear red flags, and it's going to be up to her to learn to put her foot down as things come up. As for Ranka's sympathy for the Vajra, well... she's the only one who's ever communicated with them. So a lot rests on her ability to stand up for their sake, as well, since nobody else can. Many things hinge on Ranka's ability to develop her own individuality, since nobody else can figure this out for her. But this comes back to the issue of guidance that I was talking about. While Ranka was never really good at making decisions on her own, she happened to stick around the right crowd, so she didn't go astray. Now she's suddenly surrounded by people whose have ill intentions for both her and her friends, so she'll definitely need to learn to make up her own mind about things. Neither Sheryl nor Alto can save her from this situation: this time, Ranka needs to save herself. I don't doubt that she's going to grow through this. But in order to do so, she'll need to move past her supports to become her own person. That's part of growing up. |
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I still stand by my Macross golden rule of triangles theory
(you can win the love triangle or save the galazy but not both) however, recently I'm starting to wonder if it might be Sheryl after all, who saves the galaxy. They're playing her to be such a disposable project and insignificant that it might actually be building her up to betray their expectations |
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