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10: Amazing... | 5 | 7.58% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 9 | 13.64% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 25 | 37.88% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 13 | 19.70% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 8 | 12.12% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 3.03% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 1.52% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 1.52% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 1 | 1.52% | |
1 out of 10: Tortuous... | 1 | 1.52% | |
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2011-10-30, 22:25 | Link #61 | |
Carpe Diem
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But here's the short version... because I'm bored, and because you clearly missed the point of my not at all being serious: Thrusters give off a massive heat signature, as they work by burning fuel and expelling it to give you forward momentum, which you cannot just 'hide behind a cloak' no matter what sort of technology you have. And, for the sake of argument, even if you could somehow hide heat, you cannot hide the trail that would be left behind... or are they dragging along all their burnt fuel all over space? Now sure, you could argue that they are not burning fuel and are using some fancy other form of movement but in order to gain momentum (ie. move) they need to act upon something with a force. They cannot simply will themselves into forward motion. That thing that they act upon, be it magical space dust or carebears, will fly away from them with an equal momentum. Since this ship is massive, the thing it acted on would be moving incredibly fast and carnying a lot of energy. Or they could be moving all of the spacetime for their movement ala Alcubierre Drive, but then even that would be noticeable to an outside observer. To save us both some time:TvTropes |
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2011-10-30, 22:31 | Link #62 |
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This is all assuming the level of technology of our time. This show is way in the future, and the tech is used by machines that dwarf even that time's technological level. Arguing about how impossible it is or not is kinda meaningless in that regard.
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2011-10-30, 22:35 | Link #63 |
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Well I am a freelance writer in real life, so I tend to do alot of freestyle writing...Not trying to be overly urbanized, but while I do appreciate your overzealous-ness towards me for some reason right now, let's not hide my actual criticisms of this episode behind a wall of patronage...
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2011-10-30, 22:35 | Link #64 |
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I was not arguing about the thruster. I mentioned it to tell you that they have much more advancing technology than the EFF, thus they may have some way to make it possible.
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2011-10-30, 22:39 | Link #65 | |
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Now, there's also the fact that you simply cannot mask heat from forward momentum. That is more or less a permanent obstacle. You cannot mask a thruster, its simply not possible. If you do mask it, that means you are either a: containing your propellant within a bubble, giving your bubble zero momentum (that is, it won't move), or b: your shield has to increase indefinitely in all directions to contain and mask that propellant. Now since I doubt either of the above are possible not matter what sort of tech you have, the Diva, at that close of a range, would have easily been able to pick up heat signatures from whatever the giant UE ship used to gain its forward momentum. And they would have known exactly where the UE ship was when Flit and Woolf disappeared... heck they would have known for thousands of miles even by our shoddy current world tech. I'm simply saying that it is not possible. You can visibly mask something, sure metamaterials, but masking heat is a whole other story. And sure, maybe some day we'll find a way to mask the heat given off by an object perfectly, but that won't help if its moving. See above as to why. |
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2011-10-30, 22:48 | Link #66 |
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I really enjoyed this episode I'm glad Flit is showing some fire in his belly I thought with the way the first 3 episodes were going he was gonna endup being a limp wristed whiner who would have to be coddled and coax through out his run just to get him to pilot. Thankfully I was wrong.
Also I liked Woolf's character he reminds me a bit of Patrick Colasour in terms of attitude but seems to do a better job of backing up his claims. So he is a bit cocky and seems to enjoy tormenting Flit which could end up being fun to watch as long as they don't over play it. |
2011-10-30, 22:50 | Link #67 | |
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Sensor technology will likely keep up, but if we're talking about the UE and EF, the EF's technology are inferior to the UE so they might as well be left in the dust in the sensor department too. It may also not necessarily be a defensive masking either but could also be offensive if your going to affect the searching sensor's rather than relying purely on masking your own signatures. We are talking about EF not being able to detect a UE ship here, rather than another EF ship.
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2011-10-30, 22:53 | Link #68 | |
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But I didn't hold that against G00, and I'm not holding this against GAge, I just found ti funny and made a post about it. |
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2011-10-30, 23:19 | Link #69 |
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Things seem to be picking up, finally they introduce Wolf, who surprisingly came off like a decent guy. He was just messing with the kid and acting a bit arrogant and waht not but it became evident that was just a facade.
Something that caught my attention though was that Wolf was apparently in a healing sleep, kinda like what they had in 00. It wasn't explained why he was there so I'm wondering if there's more to that or just simply an excuse to not introduce him right away. Also, it seems like Brodek figured out who the UE are by analyzing their technology...Kinda makes you wonder if he's going to share it with everyone else or not...My guess is he'll keep it to himself. There's definitely a good story here, and so far they are doing a good job of giving us a taste and keeping us coming back. At least that's how I feel anyway. I don't know about you guys... Having said that, I still cannot get over the character designs lol. The adults with the exception of Emily's grandfather are good, but the kids just seem too young, as in younger than what they really are. Hopefully they grow on me as the show has grown. On a side note, how long do you guys think it iwll take the federation to come up with a decent counter to the UE units? So far the Genoace seem to be about as usefull as Leo against a Gundam, or a Tieren vs a GN-mobile suit...
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2011-10-30, 23:30 | Link #70 | ||
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2011-10-30, 23:43 | Link #71 | ||
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Beauty can be found in simplicity, and sometimes a simple but well told story is no worse than a convoluted one. |
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2011-10-31, 00:07 | Link #73 | ||
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If you wanna hide that behind the storytelling is supposed to be uber-simple, I doubt many who are feeling this show would agree with that being a positive...I like your opinion on it, and if there is nothing in-terms of the subjects you broached on the other shows, that will suck (If not scream of hallow homages), but they seem to be trying to hint at deeper things like the captain's offbeat actions, however based on what we've seen in direction i'm not energized thinking about how the show will deal with it's intended crumbs... Quote:
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2011-10-31, 00:33 | Link #75 | |
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The UE's inclusion just felt unnecessary. Not eyebrows like that! They were like twin-half mustaches proudly hanging off the sides of their heads. |
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2011-10-31, 00:33 | Link #76 | |
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Remember, this officer crew were the colony's defense crew. We'll hand wave how they even knew how to operate a brand new, top secret warship, because we're handwaving a lot of other things. But, yes, the rest of the crew (engineers, flight crew, mechanics, cooks, etc) of the Diva is legit, and apparently have just blindly accepted their officers were transferred at the last minute right before the colony came under attack. Edit: Just saw that brightman already explained my point. Doh. Anyways, we know they've already tricked the Federation ships that took the colony core to safety. It's feasible, since the Diva was a top secret warship, that they can keep tricking Federation ships/colonies, since I'm guessing the crew/officers were not made public knowledge outside a small circle to begin with. Eventually, it will probably bite them in the butt though. Be interesting to see what happens at that point. We already know they can pump out DODS rifles in about 20 seconds. The Genoace with a DODS rifle seems plenty effective in this episode. I guess the real question is why do our heroes and the Federation, even days later, still have only one DODS rifle. And, in case it wasn't obvious, that's a rhetorical question.
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2011-10-31, 00:56 | Link #78 | |
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Such sad people. |
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