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By the way i don't care if shanks is stronger than mihawk or weaker my point was even if he is stronger than mihawk the story would still consistent. Last edited by andy; 2009-08-12 at 16:50. |
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I still have yet to hear(ha Read) a decent argument about why its suck that Newgate has a Devil fruit? Last edited by Master Mold; 2009-08-12 at 19:28. Reason: The Saikyo |
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edit: Okay, that was a little weird, even for me. I apologies. Honestly, I was expecting you to be the most vocal. I guess you finally proved me wrong (for once ). Last edited by james0246; 2009-08-12 at 20:29. |
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2009-08-12, 20:06 | Link #309 | |
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We saw shanks use haki so there is a hint that he can use more than a sword already. Give me a reason why mihawk is stronger than shanks other than his title. When we don't even know what happen in there fights. We know mihawk stop fight shanks cause he lost a arm and maybe shanks just fool around in new world .Making mihawk the strongest swordsman by default. It was not even said why they were fighting in first place. No matter what even if shanks is stronger than mihawk or weaker it would still make the story consistent. Just because mihawk has a title don't make him stronger than shanks. That's like me saying shanks is a Yonkou he has to be stronger than mihawk. The only person that has that right is WB since that is his title.Does mihawk have the better swords skills i would say yes. Is mihawk stronger i don't know the same goes for shanks. Mihawk title as the strongest swordsman in world only tell us that he is high tier . As for WB i always expect him to have DF and a really strong on at that . Last edited by andy; 2009-08-12 at 20:39. |
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Andy, What does this have to do with the argument at hand? I thought you didn't care who was stronger then who? but was arguing about whether or not shanks being stronger then Mihawk was an inconsistency?
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What I mean is that just because we have seen him use a sword doesn't mean he is a swordsman for sure. He may have other weapons at his disposal that we know nothing about. There are many characters which use swords but are not classified as swordsmen. For example, we have seen both Aokiji and Kizaru use (elemental) swords, and yet I'm sure most won't call them swordsmen. Supernovae Law and Drake both used swords as well as Rayleigh and I don't think they are swordsmen either. I just don't think we have enough information on this matter to form a sound conclusion yet.
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Are you really going to compare haki to zoro Illusions. We had whole arc to show us what haki can do . Even if you don't like it ,haki can be use to read moves, cancel DF powers and make weapons stronger , it is a plus in a fight . It is a extra skill if i use a sword plus haki i am not only using my sword skills.
We don't know if shanks can do this but he used haki .Which means he might have other skills other than being a swordsman. Since the story show us what haki can do The story never said he was a swordsman only and until now we did not know even know about haki which change things. To say mihawk is stronger than anyone that uses a sword type weapon or sword when they have other skills make no sense. Which goes back to my point which is even if shanks is stronger than mihawk it would consistent. Oda could write because of haki shanks is stronger than mihawk . Mihawk being better than shanks with a sword does not mean he is stronger or weaker. No matter which way Oda chose to go it would be consistent. Since nothing was ever said about shanks being weaker or stronger than mihawk only that there was never a clear winner when they fought. Last edited by andy; 2009-08-12 at 23:05. |
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Zoro illusions comes from his swordsman ship , it not the same as haki .
One min your saying well shanks can't use any haki moves cause the story does not have him doing it but then saying he's a swordsman because you saw him use a sword. When the story never said that was they only way he fights or if he was a swordsman . Then your saying mihawk is stronger than shanks when we don't even know what shanks can do or we don't even know the reason why the fought . Because you only see him use a sword when the story said there was never a clear winner .We don't even know if mihawk had his title back in the day when he used fight shanks but then when he lost a arm he did not want him to fight him anymore. Which still says nothing about who is stronger . I can also say hey it common sense that he would be able to use haki moves. Why cause he use it on WB ship where he destroy the ship with out even touching it.Made a sea king run and he is a Yonkou hey if people on amazon lily can do it shanks should be able to it. I just check the OP data book and it was not even said how he and shanks fought only that they use. Last edited by andy; 2009-08-13 at 00:06. |
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Okay then tell when did the story says shanks only fights with a sword and has no other skills. .Even if they fight with sword it was never said that all shanks can do .
Your point is you see shanks use a sword so because of that mihawk is stronger .When the story never said shanks was a swordsman or that is only way he fights. . I just check the manga chapter 96 page 16 mihawk said he does not want to fight shanks. Again it was never said how shanks fights. Chapter 434 page 10 WB said the days of them dueling are still fresh in his ears ,you can duel with someone and not use the same weapon of same set of skills. Never in any part of the manga or data books did it say shanks is swordsman or only fights with a sword and your saying that mihawks is stronger than him because he greatest swords man in the world. What has that have to do with shanks when we do not know how he fights or if swordmans ship is his only set of skills he use to fight with. you just see him use a sword so he a swordsman when no where in the manga it was said that he was only a swordsman. Also zoro illusions are from his sword skills most of time when you see them is when he uses a move. There are not a extra skill zoro adding illusions to his swords it not going to make him by pass DF power unlike what we saw with haki , it does not allow him to know what his opponent is going to do. There not even in the same league.(right now anyway) Just saw Phenomenal post still does not change my point . Last edited by andy; 2009-08-13 at 01:38. |
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