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Ekureiru · 2010-10-05, 07:49

My eyebrows have risen a level after noticing... that the wincest was actually win.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love twincest and wincest when it happens just as much as any other anime fan out there, but their are some times when it's not convincingly pulled off or it's just extremely disturbing and/or irritating.

Props to them for pulling it off in a good way. (I have no idea how UTW managed to sub this, even jointly, so fast considering they're still getting around to 1080p encoding of UBW)

Dist · 2010-10-05, 08:07

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Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Based on some scenes I saw of the game it looks like it was eroge.

You're wrong. Clannad was made for all ages. If you've seen hentai pictures of it, doesn't mean they're from the game. There is spin-off however, called Tomoyo After but that has nothing to do with the original story.

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I knew nothing of Yosuga no Sora, but got attracted by the pretty picture that was on chartfags .. Seriously?! Twincest .. Never would have expected that. Dunno yet what to make of the series.. Gotta watch few more episodes at least.

swtrooper42 · 2010-10-05, 08:18

Interesting how all the heroines fall in love with the protagonist meeting him for the first time.

Twincest was a surprise. I was expecting a more platonic "Care for my sister" sort of relationship. But then again, I also wasn't expecting tits and masturbation.

Ichiban Hayai · 2010-10-05, 08:23

I hadn't read any previews prior to watching so my expectations changed through ep 1.

Twins arrive at village. Ok, typical slice of life.
Girls bump on protagonist, blushing. Looks like harrem after all.
Girl naked in bath, nipples and all. EH?!? Fanservice ala Queen Blade etc
Final scene. Sora strips in front of Haru. Chotto mate! This is erogame adaption O_O

Apart from good animation, it wasn't very interesting (considering the genre of course)

Francismeunier · 2010-10-05, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Dahak86

some random gifs =>

Spoiler for very funny:

as a fanservice-fan I approve of this, and ep1 gets 10/10 from me. Hope next episode can deliver too.
I'm totally sold on this. definitely keep watchin'.

as always, I thank Francis for the awesome gifs.

You should thank me more for the avatars....you should also change sometimes of avatar...it's pretty fun you know. Nice GIFs on your side too.

The one of Sora masturbating and undressing is rather well done.
I also have to say that the one where she gets jealous over Kozue being too close to Haruka is funny....nicely done. Do wonder whatever they meant with I want to come at the end still. Makes me

at it still.

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Originally Posted by swtrooper42

But then again, I also wasn't expecting tits and masturbation.

ROFL! That was the best one yet! Good laugh there!

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Originally Posted by Ichiban Hayai

I hadn't read any previews prior to watching so my expectations changed through ep 1.

Twins arrive at village. Ok, typical slice of life.
Girls bump on protagonist, blushing. Looks like harrem after all.
Girl naked in bath, nipples and all. EH?!? Fanservice ala Queen Blade etc
Apart from good animation, it wasn't very interesting (considering the genre of course)

You missed out the maid masturbates after the episode....

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Originally Posted by Ichiban Hayai

Final scene. Sora strips in front of Haru. Chotto mate! This is erogame adaption O_O

Also missed out Sora saying "Make me come!"

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2010-10-05, 08:55

What an awkward 1st episode, particularly the ending. Felt like I was playing a VN and stopped just before a H-scene started...

Also wasn't expecting tits, masturbation and the "Make me come" bit at the end.

To me, it felt like Myself;Yourself/H20 Footprints in the Sand but with "explicit" material. That's not a good thing, because it's not what I expected. Looks like I'm going to have to wait for P.A. Work's Hanasaku Iroha to have a chance of what I was looking for...

Will give it 1 more episode.

Ashlotte · 2010-10-05, 08:56

Show has a serious split personality going on...The bounces between heart wrenching slow paced drama with the twins and the standard Harem bunk is pretty jarring.

Still even with the occasional non-sense the parts that the show got right were oooooh so good (The melancholy, longing, and loneliness seeping through some scenes was just incredible). So I guess the question going forward is which of the two faces the show presented will become the predominate one...

Yuno · 2010-10-05, 08:59

Pray that it is the latter and not the harem junk. I am somewhat disappointed with this, but I will stick with it simply out of honor of the game and the story. I hope to god that this first episode was simply a "hook" to get various interests... well interested (Need to sleep). The storyline is quite good and not one to be mucked up by fanservice overload... I worry, I watch, but worry.

karinvampire · 2010-10-05, 09:33

I'm really not sure about this. I like the art but...this is one of those shows that can be either bad or good.

Never watch an anime that involved incest/twincest(I'm not a fan of it at all) but I think I may need to see a little more of this show before I rule it out.

[spoiler removed by angry bunnies](they bite)

Skyfall · 2010-10-05, 10:39

Spoiler for Episode 1 with comparisons to game:

A few quick freebies:

Nightengale · 2010-10-05, 10:52

Okay, that was an awkward first episode to say the least. Behind the shades of all the flag events non-stop, the underlying atmosphere surrounding Sora is tense, to say the least. It feels that there's more to Sora's possessiveness than just the family's death.

Based on what the ED shows, I speculate that... er... not even sure if this is that 'kind' of eroge, but it feels as if Haru is not a virgin. The credits silhouette with Sora seeing something shocking is typically associated with the sight of sex ( or abuse/rape/etc ), and it would make perfect sense if Sora saw Haru having sex with someone. It's kind of a traumatic reminder of how 'fragile' their relationship potentially is, which would be a natural extension to how clingy and 'afraid' Sora is. As for the candidates, I think it's either be their mother ( was the death actually an accident? ) or the glasses girl that Sora seems to single out. ( and one which Haru seems to have another awkward and close history with )

***relentlessflame*** · 2010-10-05, 10:56

Re: Harem, I think there are two points in the anime that might be missed at first glance:

1. Half of the characters have a pre-existing relationship with Haruka (which you can note by their calling him by name).

2. This is a small town basically in the "middle of nowhere" (note Sora's disgust that they don't have a convenience store), so the arrival of a new, attractive boy in town can be big news and definitely get the girls talking. (In a small town, everyone knows everyone else, so any comings-and-goings are big news.)

So in that sense, I don't think it's quite as surprising as it seems at first.

I also want to remind people to put comparisons to current events in the game behind spoiler tags, and that future events cannot be discussed in this thread. Please go to the Game thread for that instead (where we already have some conversations going).

Edit: And also, if an anime-only viewer makes speculation based on where they think the anime is going, game players are NOT under any circumstance, under penalty of infractions and bans, to provide ANY sort hint one way or the other that either supports or discounts their theories. This should be common sense, but as a number of us mods have played the game, we will punish this sort of thing most severely when encountered. Please don't try to be "smart" about it. (And also, if you have played the game, please don't pretend that you haven't... I've seen people try to do that, and it's not like we won't know...)

Nightengale · 2010-10-05, 11:00

It's not strange how a viewer could feel it not being expressed well though. The anime gives an impression that he doesn't remember the girls, despite them knowing/remembering him due to how withdrawn he is even with those casual with him. It's only quite near the end of the episode with the bicycle scene that we know there's no amnesia or lost memories involved.

Kanon · 2010-10-05, 11:22

Loved the first episode. I didn't expect it to have such a good atmosphere (the fantastic OP song certainly helps). Sora is just as lovely as I had imagined, if not more. The other girls seem rather nice too but Sora's already got all my attention and it shall remain that way. As for Haru, the lucky main character, I was also a bit bothered by his amazing ablitity to attract any females within a 10 miles radius but I'll let it slide for now.

I'm a bit puzzled about one thing: Akria seemed to know Haru, however, he clearly doesn't remember her at all since he didn't even know her name. I guess she secretly loved him (like every other girls in the show) but never managed to approach him.

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep1:

Haha, I thought exactly the same thing. Sora's cuteness is on a whole other level, the way she clung to Haru's shirt was so damn adorable. I find her way prettier, too. I'm totally in love with her already~ This season is a very good one for an imouto lover like me (the Mikan x Sora combo will kill me).

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Originally Posted by dark998

This was...surprisingly good. Nice OP, two EDs, good music, attractive character design, atmosphere, great (but not too excessive) fanservice, and the main attraction: real twincest.

Twincest by definition can't be fake since it involves twins. Thus, twincest is always wincest.

MeoTwister5 · 2010-10-05, 11:25

Ok... yeah... I guess aside from the characters and the setting, there is close to nothing similar I've seen from the first manga volume that came out, and based on player reaction, no similarities with the VN as well. Might as well be prudent to treat this as a completely different entity.

But where to start...

From the get go Haru's already working the magic with every female he's encountered so far, a quality any harem lead must posses. Much to Sora's irritation of course. The similarities people have pointed out to Myself; Yourself does sort of exist, and this is a bit of a bad thing for me, because I hated that series. It seems like every girl has the hots for him already.

The obvious sexual tension between the siblings, or at least from Sora's side is already readily apparent even if we aren't too sure why. She's pretty much downright lusting for him as her fantasies suggest. It obviously stems a lot from losing their parents and probably her own feelings of emotional isolation and abandonment, which makes the potential dynamic and expected strains in their relationship an interesting thing to watch.

But this is where my problem with the first episode starts. I have mixed feelings with the episode, it isn't bad but it isn't great either, because I have a very mixed impression with what the episode, and the show by extension, is trying to be. The last 5 minutes of fanservice, masturbation etc. further muddles this idea of mine.

What exactly is this episode, and the rest of the series by extension, trying to be?

You've got potential for a incestuous drama in there, as well as the starting points for a potential harem comedic drama and an ecchi to borderline hentai fare. The first episode really didn't mesh it all together very well, at all. The differences between them felt jarring and segmented, like I was watching 2 or 3 shows stapled together in a single episode. I don't feel a focus anywhere because Sora's story felt so "outside" the realm of everything else, and while I assume her story is supposed to take center stage, the school sections are also greatly focused on, yet the episode doesn't put them together into a more seamless and integrated approach. It feels like Haru instead is switching between a harem-ish school life and an incestuous home life, with everything else in between.

I honestly can't feel a sense of identity in this episode. I don't feel a sense of focus. Most series' pilots already tell you what the show is and what to expect from it, but frankly I have no idea right now what this show is or wants to be. Like the manga I can feel something deep from the potential relationship between the two, but in the episode it's neither here or there because of everything else that makes it like everything is always shifting focus and stuff. It's a vague feeling I know, but honestly I can't put my foot down because I simply can't make a conclusion of what this is.

If indeed it's trying to put all of those elements together, then it didn't do a good job at it. The best simile I can make is that it felt more like having two jigsaw puzzles, and trying to mix them up and make one bigger puzzle from all the pieces. It feels like the pieces don't feel like they go together, and that you're forcing pieces to fit. If the episode decided to focus on just one then it would be fine, heck I would prefer the incest parts because they were actually handled pretty well, but the disjunction is glaring to me, and if this is the approach for every episode from here on in, it's just going to feel awkward and disjointed.

I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's just because of the inherent difficulties a pilot episode has to face, and give it at least 2 more episodes. Thing is, if it's really going to feel very segmented and compartmentalized, especially with whatever the hell those last 5 minutes of near pointless fanservice was, watching this will simply not be fun at all, no matter how interested I am at the incestuous dynamic.

Which is sad because I find it intriguing, and I haven't seen one I liked since Koi Kaze.

***relentlessflame*** · 2010-10-05, 11:47

This may be just me, but I think the rather jarring juxtaposition of elements is actually probably what the director/writer was intending in this episode. There's a bit contrast being set out between the life that Haruka is trying to live and Sora's rather insular world. This is all being presented to us, as viewers, at a mile-a-minute pace and the net effect is, I think, supposed to be one of being maybe "intrigued but overwhelmed". They may choose to keep this pace, but I can also imagine them taking a big step back next week and almost restarting from square one to re-set the foundation.

In any case, all that to say that I think the points you've raised seem more deliberate than accidental. For better or worse, of course, time will tell...

MeoTwister5 · 2010-10-05, 12:13

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

This may be just me, but I think the rather jarring juxtaposition of elements is actually probably what the director/writer was intending in this episode. There's a bit contrast being set out between the life that Haruka is trying to live and Sora's rather insular world. This is all being presented to us, as viewers, at a mile-a-minute pace and the net effect is, I think, supposed to be one of being maybe "intrigued but overwhelmed". They may choose to keep this pace, but I can also imagine them taking a big step back next week and almost restarting from square one to re-set the foundation.

In any case, all that to say that I think the points you've raised seem more deliberate than accidental. For better or worse, of course, time will tell...

Well yes it probably has more to do with the lightning fast of the series, when you have Akira acting silly in the hallway, Nao's boobs floating in the bathtub and Sora fantasizing some french tongue action with Haru in quick succession. The contrasting would work well if you actually have time to make the comparison between his school life and his home life, but the shuffling throws me off a lot of the time. Maybe it's because the 6 chapters of the manga, and I presume the VN, managed to integrate is better than the anime that I end up making comparisons.

If the segregation is deliberate then it's fine because it can work, and it's been made to work before. However at the pace it's going, it makes the divisions far too obvious, forced and at times too distinct, like Haru is shuffling between two dimensions. There's really not enough time to delve into him, his sister, and everyone else caught in the crossfire of this potentially incestuous relationship.

If I HAVE to make a comparison, even if the series' are only linked by the incest theme, Koi Kaze managed to segregate Koshiro's professional life with his troubled personal emotions in his home life very well. Same thing can be said perhaps of Nanoka's school life and her growing affection for her brother. At the same time however, they mixed together to make the opposition apparent, the end result being their shared emotional turmoils made manifest by a society unaccepting of the relationship.

I can tell Yosuga no Sora is trying to make the distinction between the normalcy of school and the taboo of Sora's feelings, but they need to mix and meld in some places to make their differences more apparent. Having two worlds almost completely independent and unaffected of each other would ultimately fail to let us see how both worlds clash.

Kanon · 2010-10-05, 12:51

This seemed deliberate to me as well and I'm fine with it for now. However, this won't work if they can keep that up too long. They will need to focus on a single heroine at some point (obviously Sora), I just hope it won't be too late before it happens.

Allow me to add this to the list of freebies:

**monir** · 2010-10-05, 13:06

What the F? Was she touching herself in the extras? I know she is a maid and all where the propriety is observed at all times, but I think it would have been perfectly understandable if she took her shorts off in those moments of private times. The episode made me say WtF more than one such occasion.

I didn't envision this show to be so over the top. I guess its a good thing considering the material. It can't be bad because if the script can keep it up, the hero will be banging everything with two legs that look like a chick, starting with his sister. It actually might be more entertaining than White Album. Oh gosh! The little bit of playing time that I put in for the game made me realize how boring this script was, so I wasn't expecting much from this show. After watching this episode, I'm very excited to say these spin to the plot near the end of each episode should give us plenty to talk about every week. Of course, I'm speaking for myself, so please don't take any offense if you played the game and liked it.

Kaoru Chujo · 2010-10-05, 13:28

It's hard to compare one episode of anime with several chapters of manga and a whole game. Of course we haven't got near the fullness of those yet.

Unlike a game (I think), an anime has to hook the viewer at the beginning. So rather than a slow build-up, they have chosen to hit us hard with fanservice, characters, and relationships. Episode one was a quick way to give us the whole setting, and introduce us briefly to the range of characters, and now the anime will work with that.

In the preview and OP, etc., we see Sora at school, I believe. So the integration of the two realms is about to begin. Hopefully we will get more of the depth and atmosphere game-players seem to be missing. By keeping Sora separate at first, we got a good sense of her feeling of longing and isolation.

2010-10-05, 07:49	Link #241
Ekureiru 神さま、ありがとう！ Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Luxembourg Age: 31	My eyebrows have risen a level after noticing... that the wincest was actually win. Now, don't get me wrong, I love twincest and wincest when it happens just as much as any other anime fan out there, but their are some times when it's not convincingly pulled off or it's just extremely disturbing and/or irritating. Props to them for pulling it off in a good way. (I have no idea how UTW managed to sub this, even jointly, so fast considering they're still getting around to 1080p encoding of UBW) __________________ † Ekureiru † - An entity commonly recognized by many as being on par with gods. Last.fm \| MyAnimeList \| Pettanko Fansubs \| Now with a degree in Yanderekology.

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swtrooper42 Melancholic Swim Captain Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pennyslvania Age: 33	Interesting how all the heroines fall in love with the protagonist meeting him for the first time. Twincest was a surprise. I was expecting a more platonic "Care for my sister" sort of relationship. But then again, I also wasn't expecting tits and masturbation. __________________ Close Curtains, Thwart Snipers Sameo, Paladin of Legend

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~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	What an awkward 1st episode, particularly the ending. Felt like I was playing a VN and stopped just before a H-scene started... Also wasn't expecting tits, masturbation and the "Make me come" bit at the end. To me, it felt like Myself;Yourself/H20 Footprints in the Sand but with "explicit" material. That's not a good thing, because it's not what I expected. Looks like I'm going to have to wait for P.A. Work's Hanasaku Iroha to have a chance of what I was looking for... Will give it 1 more episode. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2010-10-05 at 09:05.

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Ashlotte Clockwork Join Date: Oct 2006	Show has a serious split personality going on...The bounces between heart wrenching slow paced drama with the twins and the standard Harem bunk is pretty jarring. Still even with the occasional non-sense the parts that the show got right were oooooh so good (The melancholy, longing, and loneliness seeping through some scenes was just incredible). So I guess the question going forward is which of the two faces the show presented will become the predominate one... __________________ No matter what enemy. No matter what ally. Mowing everything down with maximum destructive power. That is... "The White Devil of the Administration Bureau"

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karinvampire Ka Ra Ku Ri Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boogie down Bronx	I'm really not sure about this. I like the art but...this is one of those shows that can be either bad or good. Never watch an anime that involved incest/twincest(I'm not a fan of it at all) but I think I may need to see a little more of this show before I rule it out. [spoiler removed by angry bunnies](they bite) Last edited by Skyfall; 2010-10-05 at 10:19. Reason: Lets leave game spoilers where they belong

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Ichiban Hayai Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greece Age: 44	I hadn't read any previews prior to watching so my expectations changed through ep 1. Twins arrive at village. Ok, typical slice of life. Girls bump on protagonist, blushing. Looks like harrem after all. Girl naked in bath, nipples and all. EH?!? Fanservice ala Queen Blade etc Final scene. Sora strips in front of Haru. Chotto mate! This is erogame adaption O_O Apart from good animation, it wasn't very interesting (considering the genre of course)

2010-10-05, 08:59	Link #248
Yuno Balanced Diet Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: !ouY htiW	Pray that it is the latter and not the harem junk. I am somewhat disappointed with this, but I will stick with it simply out of honor of the game and the story. I hope to god that this first episode was simply a "hook" to get various interests... well interested (Need to sleep). The storyline is quite good and not one to be mucked up by fanservice overload... I worry, I watch, but worry.

2010-10-05, 10:39	Link #250
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Spoiler for Episode 1 with comparisons to game: Being someone who has played the game, this episode certainly managed to raise a few eyebrows for me. My qualms with some character designs, most notably Akira's, aside (Though i will admit Sora doesn't look half bad), it felt like the anime is in a huge rush to go somewhere, and i am having hard time understanding why the haste, and i feel the solemn, heavy mood was lost in the process. Slow down, we are only at the first episode! All of the female cast was introduced in a rapid and glancing fashion, and it was made abundantly clear they are all more than slightly interested in Haru. Rocket-propelled character dynamics aside, this is the thing that disturbed me the most - Haru coming out of nowhere and sweeping the ladies off their feet. I am not sure if they plan on indulging in a harem building, but it is being hard not to think in that direction In any case, it was suggested earlier in this thread it might be better to view this as an alternate envisioning of the story, and i am inclined to agree, since they are establishing quite notable deviations from the get go. Better to clear my head and try to take things in a stride as they come, rather than brooding over what could have been. At least it will make it harder to predict where the story is going and what it is trying to accomplish, as game knowledge is partially thrown out the window already. Ah well, you win some, you lose some, i am still pinning my hopes on Fortune Arterial A few quick freebies: __________________ Last edited by Skyfall; 2010-10-05 at 11:00. Reason: adding spoiler tags for comparison

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Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Okay, that was an awkward first episode to say the least. Behind the shades of all the flag events non-stop, the underlying atmosphere surrounding Sora is tense, to say the least. It feels that there's more to Sora's possessiveness than just the family's death. Based on what the ED shows, I speculate that... er... not even sure if this is that 'kind' of eroge, but it feels as if Haru is not a virgin. The credits silhouette with Sora seeing something shocking is typically associated with the sight of sex ( or abuse/rape/etc ), and it would make perfect sense if Sora saw Haru having sex with someone. It's kind of a traumatic reminder of how 'fragile' their relationship potentially is, which would be a natural extension to how clingy and 'afraid' Sora is. As for the candidates, I think it's either be their mother ( was the death actually an accident? ) or the glasses girl that Sora seems to single out. ( and one which Haru seems to have another awkward and close history with ) __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

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*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	Re: Harem, I think there are two points in the anime that might be missed at first glance: 1. Half of the characters have a pre-existing relationship with Haruka (which you can note by their calling him by name). 2. This is a small town basically in the "middle of nowhere" (note Sora's disgust that they don't have a convenience store), so the arrival of a new, attractive boy in town can be big news and definitely get the girls talking. (In a small town, everyone knows everyone else, so any comings-and-goings are big news.) So in that sense, I don't think it's quite as surprising as it seems at first. I also want to remind people to put comparisons to current events in the game behind spoiler tags, and that future events cannot be discussed in this thread. Please go to the Game thread for that instead (where we already have some conversations going). Edit: And also, if an anime-only viewer makes speculation based on where they think the anime is going, game players are NOT under any circumstance, under penalty of infractions and bans, to provide ANY sort hint one way or the other that either supports or discounts their theories. This should be common sense, but as a number of us mods have played the game, we will punish this sort of thing most severely when encountered. Please don't try to be "smart" about it. (And also, if you have played the game, please don't pretend that you haven't... I've seen people try to do that, and it's not like we won't know...) __________________ [...]

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Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	It's not strange how a viewer could feel it not being expressed well though. The anime gives an impression that he doesn't remember the girls, despite them knowing/remembering him due to how withdrawn he is even with those casual with him. It's only quite near the end of the episode with the bicycle scene that we know there's no amnesia or lost memories involved. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2010-10-05, 11:25	Link #255
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Ok... yeah... I guess aside from the characters and the setting, there is close to nothing similar I've seen from the first manga volume that came out, and based on player reaction, no similarities with the VN as well. Might as well be prudent to treat this as a completely different entity. But where to start... From the get go Haru's already working the magic with every female he's encountered so far, a quality any harem lead must posses. Much to Sora's irritation of course. The similarities people have pointed out to Myself; Yourself does sort of exist, and this is a bit of a bad thing for me, because I hated that series. It seems like every girl has the hots for him already. The obvious sexual tension between the siblings, or at least from Sora's side is already readily apparent even if we aren't too sure why. She's pretty much downright lusting for him as her fantasies suggest. It obviously stems a lot from losing their parents and probably her own feelings of emotional isolation and abandonment, which makes the potential dynamic and expected strains in their relationship an interesting thing to watch. But this is where my problem with the first episode starts. I have mixed feelings with the episode, it isn't bad but it isn't great either, because I have a very mixed impression with what the episode, and the show by extension, is trying to be. The last 5 minutes of fanservice, masturbation etc. further muddles this idea of mine. What exactly is this episode, and the rest of the series by extension, trying to be? You've got potential for a incestuous drama in there, as well as the starting points for a potential harem comedic drama and an ecchi to borderline hentai fare. The first episode really didn't mesh it all together very well, at all. The differences between them felt jarring and segmented, like I was watching 2 or 3 shows stapled together in a single episode. I don't feel a focus anywhere because Sora's story felt so "outside" the realm of everything else, and while I assume her story is supposed to take center stage, the school sections are also greatly focused on, yet the episode doesn't put them together into a more seamless and integrated approach. It feels like Haru instead is switching between a harem-ish school life and an incestuous home life, with everything else in between. I honestly can't feel a sense of identity in this episode. I don't feel a sense of focus. Most series' pilots already tell you what the show is and what to expect from it, but frankly I have no idea right now what this show is or wants to be. Like the manga I can feel something deep from the potential relationship between the two, but in the episode it's neither here or there because of everything else that makes it like everything is always shifting focus and stuff. It's a vague feeling I know, but honestly I can't put my foot down because I simply can't make a conclusion of what this is. If indeed it's trying to put all of those elements together, then it didn't do a good job at it. The best simile I can make is that it felt more like having two jigsaw puzzles, and trying to mix them up and make one bigger puzzle from all the pieces. It feels like the pieces don't feel like they go together, and that you're forcing pieces to fit. If the episode decided to focus on just one then it would be fine, heck I would prefer the incest parts because they were actually handled pretty well, but the disjunction is glaring to me, and if this is the approach for every episode from here on in, it's just going to feel awkward and disjointed. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's just because of the inherent difficulties a pilot episode has to face, and give it at least 2 more episodes. Thing is, if it's really going to feel very segmented and compartmentalized, especially with whatever the hell those last 5 minutes of near pointless fanservice was, watching this will simply not be fun at all, no matter how interested I am at the incestuous dynamic. Which is sad because I find it intriguing, and I haven't seen one I liked since Koi Kaze. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

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*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	This may be just me, but I think the rather jarring juxtaposition of elements is actually probably what the director/writer was intending in this episode. There's a bit contrast being set out between the life that Haruka is trying to live and Sora's rather insular world. This is all being presented to us, as viewers, at a mile-a-minute pace and the net effect is, I think, supposed to be one of being maybe "intrigued but overwhelmed". They may choose to keep this pace, but I can also imagine them taking a big step back next week and almost restarting from square one to re-set the foundation. In any case, all that to say that I think the points you've raised seem more deliberate than accidental. For better or worse, of course, time will tell... __________________ [...]

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	This seemed deliberate to me as well and I'm fine with it for now. However, this won't work if they can keep that up too long. They will need to focus on a single heroine at some point (obviously Sora), I just hope it won't be too late before it happens. Allow me to add this to the list of freebies: __________________

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Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	It's hard to compare one episode of anime with several chapters of manga and a whole game. Of course we haven't got near the fullness of those yet. Unlike a game (I think), an anime has to hook the viewer at the beginning. So rather than a slow build-up, they have chosen to hit us hard with fanservice, characters, and relationships. Episode one was a quick way to give us the whole setting, and introduce us briefly to the range of characters, and now the anime will work with that. In the preview and OP, etc., we see Sora at school, I believe. So the integration of the two realms is about to begin. Hopefully we will get more of the depth and atmosphere game-players seem to be missing. By keeping Sora separate at first, we got a good sense of her feeling of longing and isolation. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.