Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid Manga Discussion

[Keroko]

Aaaand somehow this girl also has a relation to Ancient Belka.

Ancient Belkans have been popping out of the woodwork everywhere, don't they?

[00-Raiser]

While we haven't released the chapter yet, I have seen the translation. Hayate is quite concerned about so many people with such connections gathering.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Aaaand somehow this girl also has a relation to Ancient Belka.

Ancient Belkans have been popping out of the woodwork everywhere, don't they?

I'm okay with me Ancient Belkan history and characters being fleshed out. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff but this is more like the Old Belka rather than "ancient". I hold a silly wish of seeing me about truly ancient belkan backstory being revealed (the times of of the Wolkenritter where the book was young which seems to be far older than the Saint Kaiser's era).

[Lhklan]

Well, at least 50 shows that Vivio did learn something from Yuuno. (I think, due to the chain that was used on witch girl. It was casted far too fast for it to be Nanoha's teaching)

... Keroko, I take it back. Fabia's adult mode was just fanservice. Hell, the small flashback to Belkan time show that the Fabia of back then have cat ears.

Well, at least somebody fix up the place.

Also, for some reasons I see Yuuno and Hayate meeting somewhere after this with the latter apologizing and the former waving it off as "Another Tuesday".

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

While we haven't released the chapter yet, I have seen the translation. Hayate is quite concerned about so many people with such connections gathering.

You mean the crack "TSAB is actually run by an Old Belkan descended Oligarchy" theory that certain parts of the fandom indulge in?

I wonder whether we would see a male descendant of an Old Belkan nobility from Kaiser Olive's time..... there's an unrealistic proportion of females. I also noticed that most of these descendants tend to be apparently quite wealthy - one wonders how influential (both economically but also politically) are the surviving Belkan nobility descended families are in the TSAB.

Once again, Vivid hints at a much more complex world-building behind the fanservice and reminds its readers that the TSAB is built upon the post-apocalyptic wreckage of Belkan civilization. And certain powerful child-mages in the TSAB from families who can trace their roots to Ancient Belka, can still remember much about what came before the TSAB. I can imagine if these children establish strong friendships with each other, unfortunately, they becomes a potentially worrisome political force, as they become older, from a cynics view, especially since all of them inherited much of the memories of prior rulers that predated the TSAB, with all the political experience and savvy (and the experience of failures) that that would likely imply.

[Justin_Brett]

She has cat ears because

Spoiler:

there was apparently a whole race of cat people in Ancient Belka for whatever reason. Which seems a bit odd and out of place since the series has never really had races besides straight human, but whatever.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

She has cat ears because

Spoiler:

there was apparently a whole race of cat people in Ancient Belka for whatever reason. Which seems a bit odd and out of place since the series has never really had races besides straight human, but whatever.

Spoiler:

She's a migrant from Flonyard, duh.

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

She has cat ears because

Spoiler:

there was apparently a whole race of cat people in Ancient Belka for whatever reason. Which seems a bit odd and out of place since the series has never really had races besides straight human, but whatever.

Spoiler:

Excluding the dragons and familiars and all that stuff, Ancient Belka had a hard on for genetic manipulation, so why wouldn't they cross animals and humans?

[Justin_Brett]

Spoiler:

Probably has something to do with the fact they produced Fabia, and likely other mages of her kind. Unless you'd breed wild animals into people to make witches appear more often, I don't know.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

She has cat ears because

Spoiler:

there was apparently a whole race of cat people in Ancient Belka for whatever reason. Which seems a bit odd and out of place since the series has never really had races besides straight human, but whatever.

Actually, there was a cat-eared person in StrikerS, on the airport when Signum went to pick up Erio. We all just assumed it was a familiar (which it probably was at the time, but retcons, ho!)

[00-Raiser]

Of course they could have all died out by present day too.

[Justin_Brett]

Well,

Spoiler:

not too long after they met her some ethnic cleansing apparently went on. So probably. At the very least there's too few of them to pass on the animal thing.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Well,

Spoiler:

not too long after they met her some ethnic cleansing apparently went on. So probably. At the very least there's too few of them to pass on the animal thing.

Spoiler for Out of respect:

That seems to imply that the main reason for the interesting seeming lack of various human subspecies is due to the fact that most of them were more or less genocided. Nanoha is a very dark multi-verse indeed, behind the loli antics.

[Justin_Brett]

Yeah that's something to consider.

Spoiler:

Depending on who helped form it, some houses in the Saint Church might have some blood on their hands.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Nanoha is a very dark multi-verse indeed, behind the loli antics.

Yeah, but we kind of knew that already, didn't we?

Season 1: Lovely child abuse. With whips. And chains. Let's just skip the cheap talk and call it child torture.
Nanoha A's: A bunch of guardians who up till now have lived terrible lives right up until they got destroyed with whatever planet they were on over and over and a master program who gets to remember it all. Oh, and obliterating an entire city was considered the Best Case Scenario if it ever went wild.
StrikerS: Little red-haired kid turns out to be a clone and gets captured by scientists and experimented on to the point he becomes rabid. Little girl gets cast out of her tribe for being too powerful for her own good. Girls created to be weapons, girl created for the sole purpose to be a key for an ancient battleship. Orphans! Orphans everywhere!

This series be dark, man.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yeah, but we kind of knew that already, didn't we?

Season 1: Lovely child abuse. With whips. And chains. Let's just skip the cheap talk and call it child torture.
Nanoha A's: A bunch of guardians who up till now have lived terrible lives right up until they got destroyed with whatever planet they were on over and over and a master program who gets to remember it all. Oh, and obliterating an entire series was considered the Best Case Scenario if it ever went wild.
StrikerS: Little red-haired kid turns out to be a clone and gets captured by scientists and experimented on to the point he becomes rabid. Little girl gets cast out of her tribe for being too powerful for her own good. Girls created to be weapons, girl created for the sole purpose to be a key for an ancient battleship. Orphans! Orphans everywhere!

This series be dark, man.

Not to mention People Jars. Lots of people Jars.

Or worlds in the Dimensions with Civil Wars that probably make Sub Saharan African Civil wars look tame instead. And this is in one of the more peaceful eras in the setting.

How about young girls haunted by memories of ancestors who lived through periods that probably rival Warhammer 40K in grimdarkness.

It's not just the series that is dark. The setting itself is a sugar coat painted over a black hole.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yeah, but we kind of knew that already, didn't we?

Season 1: Lovely child abuse. With whips. And chains. Let's just skip the cheap talk and call it child torture.
This series be dark, man.

I remember the ANN review saying the director has a fetish for kinky torture.... (and it got a C+)

[Hiss13]

Originally Posted by bhl88

I remember the ANN review saying the director has a fetish for kinky torture.... (and it got a C+)

ANN Reviews should really be taken with a grain of salt. They have been wrong on multiple accounts such as in their review of A's or To Aru Majutsu no Index (The Hyouka Arc was not freaking filler!) for example.

The series pretty much established the setting as a dark core painted over thinly with bright colors (PINK!!) as soon as Precia Testarossa and the TSAB were introduced.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

ANN Reviews should really be taken with a grain of salt. They have been wrong on multiple accounts such as in their review of A's or To Aru Majutsu no Index (The Hyouka Arc was not freaking filler!) for example.

The series pretty much established the setting as a dark core painted over thinly with bright colors (PINK!!) as soon as Precia Testarossa and the TSAB were introduced.

I'm just picky with the reviews. A's did get a B+ though.

[mechdra]

Chinese scan for Memories 451 is out a 2 weeks ago. There are tons of fanservie like usual and also flashback. Fabia's ancestor seems to be either a fox or a dog girl (Dog Days crossover?) that Klaus take in as a pet.

Jeremiah is a boy that Olivie met on her way to Shura,