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Also, I don't remember the "Walpurgisnacht defying the laws of time" part from anywhere. Quote:
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2011-04-24, 07:12 | Link #343 |
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Homura is not WN!
Stop it guys! That would make her even more Godly than Madoka. If even Madoka disappeared from the physical after defeating her own witch self, Homura staying all fine and dandy after having her witch defeated each and even timeline does not make sense whatsoever! Seriously! Ever considered that she could not defeat WN because WN has a strong resistance to physical attacks? Homura only uses normal weapons while all it took for Madoka was a single arrow of magic! |
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Interesting that this response here was placed in a thread I've never posted in before...and interesting as well that Kaijo seems to have been banned anyway, so there might be no point to this. I'll assume that the ban wasn't permanent though, in which case Kaijo can feel free to read through and address this if he'd like to once he gets back.
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If you're asking me how Homura was supposed to prevent Madoka from sacrificing herself, my answer from a long time ago has been that that is obviously impossible. That of course goes against everything Homura was fighting for though, so the answer I've already suggested to you is "Timeline 4 seemed closest to working". Hell, if Homura hadn't looked like she was getting beat up so badly, she'd have succeeded on the 'don't let Madoka contract' front. Going for a repeat performance was more or less the right idea there (if Kyuubey and Homura's statements about 'countless timeloops' can be given any credit, between loops 4 and 5 is where I'd place them, on that note). Quote:
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Remember "Show, don't tell"? That's what Madoka abandoning her MG sketchbook at Mami's place was y'know, as opposed to a direct and blatant line like "I'm too scared to revive you". Great writing where intelligence assumed on both the part of the writer and the audience is displayed. Quote:
Anyway, as for the other discussion going on in this here Homura thread: with regards to WalpurgisNacht's 'gear' motif, I think we should note that Homura's actual 'time mechanism' is actually an hourglass. Gears and clocks have nothing to do with Homura; just another point to say I don't buy the WalpurgisNacht connection here. |
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2011-04-24, 09:40 | Link #345 |
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The regular witches are shown to be killable with Homura's weapons.
Charlotte, Witch Sayaka in episode 10, and 2 other witches in episode 10 bit the dust that way. I wonder why Walpurgis Night is somehow resistant to being killed? She used bigger explosives for a bigger witch, theoretically it should have worked.
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2011-04-24, 10:00 | Link #346 |
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WN, I think and after seeing this tough bitch in action, is (and true to its traditional name being a congregation of witches) quite a massive hive concentration of thousands, if not, millions of MGs gone to the dark side and their souls absorbed over the years (and maybe even centuries). This gives WN titanic amounts of destructive offensive energy, regeneration and shielded defense capacity.
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2011-04-24, 10:41 | Link #347 | |
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2011-04-24, 16:45 | Link #348 |
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WN is not resistant to Homura's weapons at all. It is shown it gets pieces of it blown off. If you consider WN a conglomeration of all the witches banding together, then all Homura doing is chipping WN off with all her weapons. Each explosion, missile only gets to kill one or a few witches within WN. It's a matter of simply Homura ran out of her energy from her shield where she can either reset or turn into witch before WN loses significant chunks of itself.
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2011-04-25, 01:09 | Link #349 | |
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regarding homu's weapons, i think a nuke is a bit too powerful that would endanger the civilians, other lifeforms, and the city in general. besides japan is not listed as a nuclear state. the nearest would be in north korea or china. i do believe her ordnance delivered some damage. WN is just too great for her. in tl3, madoka survived the fighting (well at least they still have some time to talk after) because homura was there. i'm sure homu made her share. |
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2011-04-25, 01:19 | Link #350 | |
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Which is why I found it really heartwarming when Madoka calls her out on it, and well... it's just too much to handle.
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2011-04-25, 18:29 | Link #351 |
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Here is what I imagine Mahou Shoujo Homura Magica will be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgpK6...eature=related Heck, the monsters even drop crystals... |
2011-04-25, 19:14 | Link #352 | |
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2.) Thematically, Walpurgisnacht cannot be Homura because it was never emphasized. For there to even be room for such speculation means that Walpurgisnacht's identity was never a detail important to the story, just like the identity of all the other Witches like Patricia, Elsa Maria, Charlotte, etc. With Homura being such a major character and Walpurgisnacht being such a major enemy, there is no way Urobuchi would leave any room for uncertainty if he meant to establish a crucial plot point. 3.) The series has made a big deal about hope and despair balancing each other out. There is a huge difference in the scale of power between Homura and Walpurgisnacht. While Homura has shown her combat prowess, the only true magical power she has is her timestop ability. Her arsenal is composed entirely of non-magical weaponry taken from other sources, which is not a part of Homura. While Homura may have grown smarter and more well-prepared, her raw power has shown no signs of changing. She was able to one-shot Witches, like Patricia and Oktavia even when she still shy and meek, with conventional weaponry. Meanwhile, Walpurgisnacht is able to throw sky scrapers and level a city with ease, and it is able to exist without a labyrinth. The second most powerful Witch seen in the series does not match Puella Magi Homura, whom Kyubey has stated to be "just the same as any other Puella Magi" in episode 11. 4.) Symbolically, there is little to support that Walpurgisnacht is Homura. The Witch had marching elephants for its arrival. It's constantly laughing and wears a large, blue dress. It shoots a dark beam that turns into silhouettes of girls, each with a unique design that we have never seen before. The only possible indication that it could have anything to do with time-travel is the gears under the dress, which people could associate with a clock. However, even that is sketchy, as gears can be associated with machinery that have little to do with clocks. Oktavia matched Sayaka's style with swords and music. Why is Walpurgisnacht so different? |
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2011-04-25, 20:17 | Link #353 |
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I love that Shadow5YA,
WN is almost the opposite of Homura; - Seemingly getting stronger every TL (Or was always strong from the start) - Always happy - Quite the company she has (A whole carnival) - People who work in carnivals are usually quite athletic/physically fit, right? Whereas Homura on the other hand.... |
2011-04-25, 21:29 | Link #354 |
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[Footnote 32: Walpurgis Night. May-night. Walpurgis is the female saint who converted the Saxons to Christianity. - The Brocken or Blocksberg is the highest peak of the Harz mountains, which comprise about 1350 square miles. - Schirke and Elend are two villages in the neighborhood.] http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-en...aust-8-0.shtml Coincidence? |
2011-04-26, 12:21 | Link #355 |
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Something I've been thinking about since the finale is what was post-witch world Homura's wish and when would she have made it? Why would she need to become a magical girl if Madoka never existed?
Actually, shouldn't she still be a meek girl in glasses and twintails? Last edited by *Osaka*Fan*; 2011-04-26 at 12:30. Reason: new idea |
2011-04-26, 12:29 | Link #356 | |
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The fact is (well, IMO) it isn't Homura who made the wish. It's Homuralternate. To me, "our" Homura realise she's in the new universe right after Sayaka sacrifice. That's when she whispered "Madoka" which made Mami wondering who is this person Homura is referring to. I think it's the moment the two Homura are merging into one. Last edited by Sageblink; 2011-04-26 at 13:12. |
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2011-04-26, 12:33 | Link #357 |
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Because she still remember everything else even if she can no longer remember Madoka due to her unique time/space traveling powers. Her wish may have changed to something like seeking out or meeting Madoka that eludes her memory.
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2011-04-26, 12:56 | Link #359 |
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Might be a case of changed reality our Madokami-sama is praised for. Homura's wish is glitched since the person she wished to protect is hardly locatable/protectable anymore. As the nature of glitches is glitchy, hence the change in her power. I could almost ascribe it to Madoka's deliberate omnipotent action... If I didn't doubt Madoka would deliberately make Homura a magical girl again. But yes, it is a really curious point.
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2011-04-26, 13:44 | Link #360 | |
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The other possibility of course would be Homura never get reset along with the rest of the world due to her special powers and the fact she survived and witnessed Madoka's wish come into effect. In that case, she would remember Madoka and is already a MG in the new world without making a wish due to her wish being made in the old world. However, as we see her fighting majyuus in eps 12, her powers are no longer time manipulation (using a bow now) and thus this indicates that she did indeed make a new wish and was granted different powers. IMHO this wish was to find Madoka and meet her again.
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