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So... One can improve the power of their magic through upgrading their equipment, I guess this can be seen even as far back as A's, so their is a way to power up the grunts... I'm thinking implants and cartridges for everyone. Quote:
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2011-01-02, 04:43 | Link #9222 |
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I'm sure the more well-informed guys can provide a better insight but outclassed as they are, offensive vehicles provide a means for the redshirts to have area dominance and presence. Have the big shots plow though and the tanks can roll in afterwards to take the area. Said war machines can have the same role of deterrence as a good mage when the TSAB needs something else in place when protecting their installations and personnel, as proven many times the shortage of good manpower they have.
Firepower shouldn't be a issue but versatility falls short when compared to a proficient spellcaster. In any case magitech generators are shown to be used widely enough throughout the TSAB(uh Chrono's ships and Ground HQ's barrier engine for example?) that you could come up with your own vehicle to address the issue. Storm Raider's shown devices can be adapted for use elsewhere so that gives some leeway in seeing devices in unusual forms. Perhaps toned-down versions of IDs as limited equipment? A step in between the customized devices for the CCs and the RH-ripoff the grunts employ, formless but extremely versatile and adaptable. Plug and play method for easy switching between vehs to weaponry so they can connect to the generators without worrying about whether the user is able to use magic or not. A small group of volunteers for the implant approach would be the way to go imho. Tuning and adjustments would be part of the process so I don't imagine the majority of the grunts consenting to it.
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- It's mechanical so it can function like a device. - It has to be putting out more power/magic than your average grunt otherwise it's pointless. - Any grunt can use it. You know the way I see it, if it can run on magic via a generator of sort, and it can interact with that magic, then it stands to reason that rather than just blasting beams in a straight line, why can't their vehicles be use to cast large and powerful spells? I mean, it's essentially a bigger device right? Hell, devices can withstand incredible punishment, AND they self repair. Quote:
Too much? Hmm, in the first place, what are the important factors that affect a mage's capability?
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2011-01-02, 06:45 | Link #9224 | ||||
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The same could be said for cartridges too, what with the talk in A's about Intelligent Devices being too fragile to fully support the cartridge system, but seeing that more and more Armed and Intelligent Devices are being outfited with them, I'm not so sure any more. Quote:
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As far as I know, natural talent, training and preferably with a device best suited to the magus' style.
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2011-01-02, 07:01 | Link #9225 | ||
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Nay, I mean that alot of detailed specifics in Nanoha are theories and no concrete info. Hmm not exactly what I had in mind... Okay, Specifically what does the Link Core do? Is it the source of magic? Or is it the part that 'shape' the spell?
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2011-01-02, 10:11 | Link #9226 | |
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The next time the DVD covers mention the LC is in StrikerS (once again, first item): http://asnano.wordpress.com/2007/10/...dvd-3-booklet/ To quote NanohaWiki, the Linker Core is an organ in the magus' body that is responsible of collecting mana from the atmosphere and releasing the stored mana out for use. Due to the confusion generated from the apparently differing descriptions in the A's and StrikerS DVD booklets (the former says that the LC links up the mana from within the magus' body while the latter says the mana comes from the atmosphere), there is some argument as to where mana comes from, in or out, collected or generated. Personally, I would say both; that the LC collects mana present in both the surroundings and the body. Besides the very organ that decides whether one is a magic-user or not, it also decides the areas where the magus would be strong or weak in.
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2011-01-03, 04:50 | Link #9227 |
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I'm still alive! Oo
My real life actually doesn't gives me too much time for my hobbies... I'm actually quite happy that I'm able to game and draw some stuff (atm WarCraft OCs mainly xD) So... sorry that I'm too pretty much am in lurk mode only atm... seeing how my last chapter was 5 months ago and all... :-/
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2011-01-03, 04:59 | Link #9229 | |
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Here's my question now- If the Linker Core is what allows the human to use magic, can it be artificially created or replicated with a machine? If so, it could allow anyone to become a mage. Or here's another idea... We know that Linker Cores can be removed and it would eventually regenerate itself, if so why not mass transplant them? If the Book of Darkness can process that many different kinds of Linker Cores then there shouldn't be an issue with "unique compatibility". And if Linker Cores also affect how much magic you can play with then I would suggest farming one of the Aces for organs... Picture that, heh!
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Yup, got some WarCraft OCs, first one was created when I got myself WarCraft 3 TFT... the rest followed with WoW and it's expansions. I upload on Imageshak... I once had an account for a german fanarts homepage a long time back then... but after a virtual fistfight with a moderator I decided to leave my art gallery as it was and never upload something there again... (I can say it was about the very first Rinya in Knight Armor fanart I posted here, the moderator kept on insisting that her Belka-type magic circle in the background was an symbol protected by copyright and thus it was forbidden to upload the picture. They had no problem with Elric's Midchilda-type thou... :-/ ) Ah well...
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2011-01-04, 19:18 | Link #9233 |
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...and suddenly, there's a lot of new posts.
As always, I'm being Distracted by Awesome and also collecting material for inspiration. ...also considering converting my BreakerS OC-verse into an original story *warps off*
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2011-01-04, 19:44 | Link #9234 |
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Note that implants won't work.
It was specifically said in Strikers that, while you can make new organs and things to replace something (ie, can make a new heart or liver, or muscle), you can't make things that will be *better* that the original. There are issues with long-term use and rejection and stuff. It was specifically said that Jail got around those problems by engineering babies when they were born, to be able to accept cyborg parts. So you can have your implants... if you're willing to be unethical about it and create such a baby from scratch. And even then, it needs regular maintenance, which can cost extra money. Also, it was strongly hinted that not everyone can use cartridges, or would be appropriate. Caro and Hayate don't. Manufacturing the cartridges would also take extra resources. I'm gonna take a wild stab and say money isn't infinite where the TSAB is concerned. Lastly, devices would seem to be mostly powered by their master's magic. Vice had one but Alto didn't. In fact, no non-mage is shown to have one. Why is that? Not even some sort of intelligent assistant, like we would have a Blackberry or smartphone. If the only way to provide sufficient power over the long haul (without the use of magic batteries that only give 6 hours of power) is the mage's magic, then it makes sense. One last thing of interest: Every ship captain shown to date has been a mage. Perhaps a ship is merely just another device for a mage (perhaps multiple mages) in which they can store up their magic in it over time for use in various fashions (shields, weapons, hyperspace jumping). This doesn't rule out a standard power source as well, for for mundane things like lighting and thrusters, however. If we ever do see a non-mage ship captain, though, it'll blow this theory out of the water, heh (at least a non-mage Bureau cruiser captain). Things to consider. |
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(You know... So it doesn't give them too much of a reason to revolt...) So about my "Transplanting Linker Core" pitch...? It's not unethical if they volunteer! Quote:
Well Manufacturing can't be that much of an issue if the Yagami family can do it in their living room, besides it's just stuffing magic into a container. Quote:
Also we do have robots running on alternate source of power, both Preicia's and Jail's, so I'm guessing magic doesn't have to run everything... Or at least you don't always require a mage to do the heavy lifting.
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I know, crazy right? Your linker core transplant isn't on too solid ground, either. We have no idea if anyone survived a complete core removal. Nanoha was only drained partially, and we have no idea how much of Fate's Signum took. Even if removal is possible, there have to be some risks; Fate could have ended up losing her magic permanently (hey, an interesting fanfic idea!). And then, even if you pulled a core out of someone, you might run into rejection issues with the transplantee, like you do with normal organs. So you got your new mage, but he has to take expensive rejection medication every day for the rest of his life. So, you have to assume that someone can regenerate their core from having it completely removed, and that the new person would suffer no ill effects from getting it. Fairly big leaps there, but I'll grant that it's slightly plausible (at least more so than the other options). Quote:
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Generating power isn't easy. Unless you're burning some type of fuel, you generally need a large reactor of some kind. On Earth, we have Nuclear reactors that can churn out a lot of power, so why don't we have mini nuke reactors powering cars? Size issues. How do we get around this? Batteries. If we're talking standard power issues in the Nanohaverse, then physics applies. Thus, they could have a large reactor for their ships to power stuff like anti-grav to keep a ship in the air (The Asura floating in the clouds), but anything smaller (like a Robot or helicopter) would require a battery. Batteries tend to be rather inefficient for what they power (I could show you the racks of batteries I have in my hybrid Honda Civic). I'm betting Precia's robots are battery powered, and thus would probably only have maybe 30 minutes of direct activity. I find it interesting that she didn't activate them until she activated the Jewel seeds; she could have had them fight off the Enforcers sent to arrest her. My guess is, she knew they don't last too long, and saved them to protect her while she actually used the seeds. But who knows? Jail's cyborgs are actually magically powered. The cyborgs do have linker cores, and that's harnessed and converted to the energy needed for enhanced movement and their abilities. They still had a magic circle, showing that magic was involved, it was just converted into a different type of energy (this type of conversion is happening in Force with the AEC weapons). I bet there is something like a Nuclear reactor on a Bureau ship, or on the ground, providing normal electric power for lights and for charging cars and motorcycles. But anything that requires more juice and is smaller, would have to have a battery, which would be drained fairly quickly. I could be wrong, and the Bureau could have a super battery that is the size of my thumb and can power a death machine for 24 hours, but given physics, it's not likely. |
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I had thought about compatibility issues, but I've also recalled that if the Book of Darkness could process so many Linker Cores without a problem, that means a method should exist, or maybe there isn't an issue in the first place I mean it's not like the Linker Core is connected to your blood vessels and all that medical stuff right? Quote:
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In that case, there never really was a standard for this kind of things right? Similar to how we have different types of ammunition, if most soldiers can't handle the stress from an Ace-class cartridge, then just lessen the load of magic poured into it to manageable quantity at the same time it'll make things more manufacturing- friendly. Quote:
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In other words, we don't know anything for sure At the very least I'm certain that no War machine meant for combat would only have less than one hour of operation time, Hell even our current UAVs can remain operational for 3 days straight. The TSAB at worst would be three decades ahead of us. Anyway, according to Dr. Michio Kaku on "Science of Games" (), Nano-batteries are probably available technology for them
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Yeah I admit I too always was a little confused about the energy technology on Midchilda.
We had computer systems and vehicles that seem to run on magic, floating magical touchable holograms (that could be generated even by said computer systems) and so on. But I came to think that most vehicles use a different power source than a mage. I mean, think of Fate's car. Me imagin her using her magic to drive it somehow makes a picture pop up like when Erza drove the magical car in Fairy Tail, with this thing attached to her arm that would suck out her mana. When we talk about Precia's robots, I always thought they ware magical summons, seeing how the suddenly rise out of the ground through magic circles. And Jail's drones might run on these small Jewel Seed replicas TSAB found inside. Maybe they could replicate the technology to create better systems for thier own use now.
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You know, I did never like the idea that 'Ancient Technology' is always better than the modern ones because it's from a wiped out civilization... But in any case, my intention is for them to improve on their technology or at least get creative with it instead of every big powerful weapon is an ancient relic.... Ultimately, I could see them creating their own version of a Midchildan Grimoire/Tome that is better than the original [Tome of Night Sky], maybe even with an Artificial Ang- *beep!*
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I did have a fic where Shamal was the one to original create the linker core removal process, but it was a medical technique to repair it, and then place it back in the body. Quote:
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But ammo costs are not trivial, and you're talking about adding a ton to the budget. The US's military budget easily dwarfs the next biggest military budgets combined, so the US is a special case in which we get most of the military stuff we want. Usually, it's not quite like that. Quote:
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Nano-batteries are small, but that also means the energy they can store is small. Physics dictate exactly how much energy you can squeeze into a particular space, so batteries are rated by efficiency, ie, how much of the stored energy you can ultimately draw, and how much space the energy occupies vs. the battery space. That's not something easy to overcome. About the only way to get around it that I saw, was compact fusion reactors. We can build fusion reactors today that sit on a table, it's just that they take more energy to run than they put out. ITER is a big experiment to make one that can output more energy, but it's unclear if it will work (science has the theories straight, but engineering hurdles remain). A series called "Battletech" had giant mechs that were powered by compact fusion reactors, but this also meant that mechs were hella expensive. One of the slogans repeated in the books is "In the 3st century, life is cheap; Battlemechs aren't." Which is a good take on it. You have to remember what a summon is. The creature exists in the dimensional sea on a planet, and summoning is just teleporting it here. So basically all Precia did was teleport her robots in from wherever they were sitting on standby. |
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