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Perfect 10 | 31 | 57.41% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 24.07% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 9.26% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 3.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.85% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.70% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-18, 11:16 | Link #81 |
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For some reason, I can't shake the idea that Makishima's concept of a "a world where everyday things are done in everyday ways" is very close to late 80s/early 90s America.
In other words, a generally relaxed atmosphere where kids go to school, and adults go to work, where you're simply told to "chill out" if you go over the line or get stressed out, and where the law-abiding are more or less allowed to do what they want on their free time. If you go to jail it's because you did something pretty bad, not just because you had a bad brain scan.
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2013-03-18, 11:40 | Link #82 | |
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Agreed it's contradictory. A point can be made either way. Saiga: "We won't know the truth unless we ask Makishima himself. But you're not going to ask him, are you?" Kougami: "That's right." This has me worried that we'll never know for sure. |
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2013-03-18, 16:57 | Link #84 |
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It was an even fight between two opposing forces of equal strength... he was excited because of the fight, not the killing. I think he lamented that he was going to be forced to kill Kogami, in order to complete his plan without someone trying to stop him.
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2013-03-18, 17:48 | Link #86 | |
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What do you think will happen if Kougami manages to kill Makishima before the latter finishes his master plan? In this case, Akane's deal with Sybil is off, and she will be forced to hunt Ko down and most likely kill him. What's worse, Sybil might notice that even after personally killing a person who was very important to her (she negotiated for his life), her hue remains unchanged, and realize that Akane is criminally asymptomatic. With the current situation as it is, I don't think that she could escape from (or even anticipate) a recruitment attempt like Makishima did.
Even with Akane as a part of Sybil, she won't be likely to be able to influence the consensus in most cases, so the general situation probably won't improve much (or at all). All in all, it would be a pretty bleak ending. There is also another hypothesis - that part of the reason Akane is feeling depressed is because in spite of everything that happened, her PP is still so clear. She might have already noticed the similarity between her, Makishima, and the members of Sybil (although even in this case, I don't think she would be paranoid enough to expect a recruitment attempt. I guess we'll see whether I'm right or not) Quote:
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2013-03-18, 19:54 | Link #88 | |
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In Colloquial terms, Makishima is a homicidal madman. Not a revolutionary. 90%+ of everything we've seen him do hasn't had anything to do with revolution in the slightest. If Makishima had actually been interested in revolution, he'd have carried out this hyper oats plot years ago rather than wasting his time acting as a sponsor for other homicidal maniacs. Supporting secretive internet fanboy murders, subterranean human game hunts, and turning high school girls into plasticized artwork has about nil revolutionary merit. Makishima is primarily an intellectual murder voyeur.
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2013-03-18, 20:07 | Link #89 |
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Didn't Makishima's original revolution scheme (i.e. the one involving him and Choe) take a lot of planning and work? I vaguely recall Kougami speculating that Makishima's plan there must have required months of preparation and work.
Perhaps Makishima's "other activities" during that time was just a way for him to keep the police distracted from his main activities, while also being a form of entertainment to Makishima.
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2013-03-18, 22:23 | Link #90 | ||
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I mean, look at the Hyper-Oats plot. Doesn't this come off as a more spur of the moment reaction to finding out Sybil's true nature rather than some long term plan?
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2013-03-19, 00:09 | Link #91 | |||
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Also, judging from Senguji, Makishima's games acted as sort of entertainment for his network of sponsors. In the first half of the anime, Makishima only 'judged' the criminals he was supporting. What they did with the support was entirely up to them, he simply gave them means to follow their free will, rather than being bound by the system's chains. In the second half, all of his murders are done either in order to further his plan, or to prove a very specific point (Yuki) Quote:
Actually, the hyper-oats plot seems more like a back-up plan he had created beforehand. He was surprisingly prepared to pull it off - he knew both where the professor is located, and how to adjust the virus in order to kill the hyper-oats. I don't really think that you can find the necessary information and devise an appropriate mutation in the span of two days, even if it the virus is easy to adjust. |
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2013-03-19, 00:33 | Link #93 | |
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2013-03-19, 00:38 | Link #94 |
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But they don't do inspections in the first place. They just sit around in the office until either the friendly computer tells them there's something weird going on, or if a body shows up. It's extremely easy to avoid their attention as long as your Psycho-Pass reading is low.
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2013-03-19, 01:25 | Link #95 | ||
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Makishima is actually very similar to real-life figures like Robespierre, Lenin, and Cromwell. All of them committed very questionable actions which lead to the deaths of thousands of people. Yet, hardly anyone would consider them 'insane'. Last edited by merakses; 2013-03-19 at 03:26. |
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2013-03-19, 02:43 | Link #96 |
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I, too, believe that the stuff with the 4chan and the schoolgirls and the robodogs were distractions.
For Makishima. Why would you even need to distract the police? It's not like anyone even knew he existed. |
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There is one more thing. All of Maki's 'games' were probably testing the waters for the real thing (the riots). He needed to know whether there really were enough people who, given the chance, would rebel against the system and wreak havoc. Essentially, the whole 'sponsoring murderers' plot was a big experiment to see if the riots could be used as a distraction for long enough in order for Maki & Choe to destroy Sybil. Last edited by merakses; 2013-03-19 at 06:14. |
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2013-03-19, 09:22 | Link #98 | |
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When the murderers disappointed him, like Rikako, he had them killed. It seems clear from things he said that he was hoping for something special from them which they ended up failing to show, boring him. I can't remember anything he said which suggested that they were an experiment in riot creation. |
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There are like. A dozen or so actual police officers in this city. And most of the time they're on standby at headquarters, waiting for someone to trip a psycho-pass or an area stress marker or for someone going missing to make them suspect there was a murder. There is literally no chance that the cops will just randomly wander into Makishima's helmet production plan if Sybil doesn't detect any increased area stress or crime coefficient or bodies turning up in garbage disposals somewhere. So being involved in ANY other criminal activity other than the helmet plan only increases the chance for detection. Quote:
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More to the point. Even if it DID do some good...I don't think it'd outweigh the danger of having Makishima's identity uncovered by the cops for affiliating with so many killers.
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Think about it - if Sybil is destroyed directly, there will most likely be a mass wave of crime and riots. However, people will still stand a small chance of limiting the damage done and creating a (somewhat) working system. It wouldn't be easy, and it isn't particularly likely, but the possibility is there. However, if he destroys the food supply, people's lives will be outside their hands. The amount of casualties will be determined almost entirely by how quickly the government manages to start importing food, and what amount of it. This way, the fate of the nation will depend entirely on the actions of a few individuals, and on the international response. Makishima is a person who values free will above everything else. It's only natural that he would rather not choose an option which will render most people's free will irrelevant, if he had a better alternative - even if that alternative was riskier. He is also overconfident - he probably never expected the assault on Nona Tower to fail. Quote:
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