2012-10-22, 22:33 | Link #5001 | |
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Then after or before the CE movie, they would have another anime series with new characters and story. Stargazer did a good job of this, showing how ravaged the Earth was and how the people in the Earth military were like. I really liked Stargazer, it proved even further to me the potential in CE. Of course Kira and the gang could make cameos showing off why they're the best. And any future CE works must explain the SEED factor theory. Actually explore what SEED is. And how it will affect humanity. I mean....IT'S CALLED GUNDAM SEED and they barely touch upon it. And of course there's that space whale floating around that never got explained. |
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2012-10-22, 22:38 | Link #5002 |
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Kira's development is there. It's just not as pronounced as it was in SEED due to the story not being about Kira as it was in SEED. It basically culminates with his talk with Durandal and Shinn at the end where he decides to take a more active role in trying to protect the peace rather than going back to just live it.
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2012-10-22, 22:44 | Link #5004 | |
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The fact that Kira and Archangel saves the world means they become the heroes, right? The heroes need clearer character development. A couple scenes of Kira explaining or exploring his change from being a recluse hermit to actively protecting the world would have enhanced the story. I myself understood Kira's development but the problem is that the vast majority don't. Therefore they then hate on Kira and the rest of the cast, calling him Kira "Jesus" Yamato and so on. That's what should be fixed. Everybody should be able to see Kira's character development not just a few. |
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2012-10-22, 22:58 | Link #5005 | |
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Agreed, Junk guild adventures, fuck yeah. |
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2012-10-22, 23:00 | Link #5006 | ||||
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Note, by focus, I'm talking about the story/plot. Where Kira shines is on the battlefield. |
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2012-10-22, 23:19 | Link #5007 | ||
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A: " The EAF are the aggressors! " A: " So are you all telling Minerva to simply sink?! " K: " Why are you? " A: " That's why i told you to go back! " A: " Why are you here when you say you don't want to fight?! " C; " Stoooop ;_______; " K: " Cagalli! " A: " Kira! " K: " I understand... i understand what you're saying too, but! " K: " But Cagalli is crying right now! " K: "She's crying right now because she ca't stand having it end up like this! " K: " Why can't you understand that?! " K: " Labeling this war, these sacrifices, as unavoidable, Blaming everything on ORB and Cagalli, is that how you justify your actions right before you shoot at what she's trying to protect? " *** A: " Kira.. " K: " Then i'll strke you down! " and we all know what happened after that, Bye bye finest mecha of Destiny ;; *** See now, here is where i have a problem, he didn't label it, Athrun joined Zaft to try and stop the war after the EAF threw nukes out as a first strike due to shady evidence. Kira saying Athrun is Labeling things when all Athrun tries to do is disable enemy units and protect the Minerva, while ORB is backing up the EAF with their full military strength due to the fact that Kira kidnapped Cagalli and put Yuna/Joona/Juuna in power not to mention the majority (i'm going to say that, from what was shown in the episode) of the orb forces was backing up Yuna at the moment until the takemikazuchi was rushing into battle Not to mention the fact that the Minerva was there alone against alot of EAF & ORB forces and later the Arch Angel. TL;DR Kira was acting like a high and mighty cunt blaming Athrun for things he caused himself and shooting down Athrun when he was trying to protect things he cared for, because Cagalli was crying. Quote:
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2012-10-22, 23:28 | Link #5008 | |
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lol, I'm not saying I'm a master of Kira Yamato. I'm just think that Destiny Kira basically went from hiding from the world due to the trauma and suffering he had in SEED to being resolved to protecting the world at the end of DESTINY. That's why he became a member of the military, the very thing he hated the most. He wanted to use the power that he had to help humanity advance instead of running away like he did before. That's why I got from DESTINY but the script-writing and pacing was so bad that most people can't see that. And Astray needs to be animated. It would be wrong not to. |
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2012-10-22, 23:40 | Link #5009 | |
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2012-10-22, 23:41 | Link #5010 | ||||
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2012-10-22, 23:50 | Link #5011 | |
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He transitioned from reluctant fighter to a willing one. |
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2012-10-22, 23:50 | Link #5012 | |||||
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No, Athrun was telling Kira to go back to ORB if he didn't want to fight (which he obviously did at the time) because Athrun was protecting the Minerva with the EAF/ORB as the clear aggressors, Athrun and Kira was trying to do the same thing, protecting people. What Kira flat out ignored was the fact that the Minerva was the defendor, not the aggressor when it came to ORB being involved. Kira let his sister's tears come before his childhood friend & his reasoning, i can udnerstand Kira wanting to protect ORB and have Cagalli talk them out of it, but to shoot down Athrun when he did nothing wrong doesnt make sense. Quote:
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Pro fighter? what? Kira suddenly showing up in a zaft whitecoat doesn't make him a pro fighter, seeing how hes worn all three uniforms by now, if anything he was there to watch over Lacus like he has been since they got engaged(i think? when she gave Kira the ring) in Seed. |
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2012-10-23, 00:07 | Link #5013 | |||
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The thing about Athrun is that he's preventing Kira from what he's trying to do. Kira wasn't about to let Athrun detain him for the rest of the battle. (Unfortunately, Athrun detained Kira long enough that Shinn was free to destroy the Takemikazuchi.) Quote:
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2012-10-23, 00:17 | Link #5014 | |
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Yes it does. He's now part of ZAFT. Actual military, high ranking at that. Before he was always an outsider now he's actually a soldier. An official soldier. Last edited by zeroexia; 2012-10-23 at 00:34. |
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2012-10-23, 03:24 | Link #5015 |
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The whole "Cagalli was crying thing" boils down to Cagalli not wanting the Orb fleet to get destroyed, and Kira was going to do just that. He didn't care if Zaft had the moral high ground and EA struck first and Orb politics dictated that they help EA. He was stopping the Orb soliders from dying. Minerva getting out safely was acceptable if possible, but he wasn't going to allow them to destroy Orb either, even if they technically didn't do anything wrong.
Hence why Athrun basically telling them to leave and let Shinn slaughter the Orb fleet pissed him off. Kira basically said Athrun was either with them or his new friends in Zaft, and if he was Zaft then Kira was taking him down. Kira totally destroying Savior was just his way of displaying he did not approve Athrun being with Zaft. |
2012-10-23, 03:46 | Link #5016 | |
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But the fact is simple, although sometimes people can make it seem more complicated than it actually is: 1. It's a battlefield. 2. Kira and Athrun had conflicting goals in that battlefield. 3. Kira removed Athrun from the battlefield. And you know what? I actually like that in contrast to what Athrun's sometimes been doing in Destiny. Just look at how Athrun's been handling Sting and compare that with how Kira handled Sting. |
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2012-10-23, 04:07 | Link #5017 | |
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There is no need to defend this. Kira has skill but doesn't know how to use intelligently. |
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