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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 29 | 29.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 30 | 30.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 25 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 11.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 2.00% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 2.00% | |
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2008-03-14, 01:51 | Link #83 | |
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As for why she was the one to take the Reiji Maigo, well she is the most obvious choice since she was the one who put the seal on it back in ep 15 and has the most prior established connection Yuji. It's true that Hecate has been given a bigger role in the anime than the novels, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. They've given a greater depth to her character than simply being SnH's priestess. |
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It's considerably worse in Shana II, the complete reverse of the first season. Rather than 8 episodes eight 1 slice-of-life fanservice-y one, we have 6 fanservice episodes and 2 of hard action. Quote:
Considering how Hecate was worked into the plot for the fanservice angle, I can't think of other reaons. Maybe the director is just arrogant and things his "anime-original" storyline is better than the novels. I strongly disagree, but he's the bloke in charge. I've been getting conflicted answers on this, so I have no idea. If I'm wrong sorry about that. Quote:
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1. Yuuji can sense the presence of PoE. Sabrac could hide his from Yuuji by spreading it around, but Hecate can't. How could he possibly get caught? 2. How can he possibly be alive? Isn't stealing a Noble Phantasm supposed to destroy a Mystes? How did she get past the Keeper? 3. If SnH was really behind this...why? Hecate's stealing from her own lord, what good would that do him? It annoys me that SnH might get portrayed as a purely evil villain rather than a good-willed vigilante; if he is set to appear soon, it'll be in a situation where he puts pressure on Yuuji for no apparent reason. The whole reasonable edge to SnH gets squandered.
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2008-03-14, 02:42 | Link #86 | |
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2008-03-14, 03:06 | Link #87 | |
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Episode 22 was...interesting... I'll just leave it at that. I can't wait to see the final episodes. Wonder if it's gonna wrap up or give a go at a third season. I haven't read the novels so I guess I'm better off? However, in the Ike-crossing-the-street scene, I did notice two things. One, the traffic is totally inconsistent. From one angle, it's a busy street. From the second, it's completely empty. From a third, it has parked cars. And from a fourth, said parked cars are gone. Come on, now. No excuse. I've made a clip of that part without any audio, so there are no spoilers for anything in Episode 22. People who haven't seen it yet, feel free to check out the animators being lazy. http://www.sendspace.com/file/pn04tx But in that same scene was a bit of wonderful gold. I'll put it in a spoiler tag even though it's not a spoiler because I don't want someone claiming it's a spoiler and then this post goes bye-bye. Spoiler:
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2008-03-14, 03:46 | Link #90 | |
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2008-03-14, 04:05 | Link #91 | |
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I was seriously going to laugh if the Z passed by and Ike saw Fumina in the passenger seat. If you don't get what I mean, you'll know soon enough.
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2008-03-14, 05:00 | Link #92 |
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I already explained this on the comments of aroduc's blog. Hecate doesn't want Yuji to be... you know what I mean. My guess is that the Konoe in head has caused her to either some sort of hatred or love for him, because he's prominent in the memories of Konoe. Of course, that sounds incredibly stupid.
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2008-03-14, 07:22 | Link #93 |
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Good episode ^^
I enjoyed Shana's reaction to the baby stuff...and Yuji's conversation with his father was done very well as well. And I enjoyed Yoshida's and SHana's 'date' or so to say. Oh yeah, I enjoyed Sabrac glaring at Dantalion..or how you write it (the professor). Looks like he really has a grudge against him XD The ending was sudden, but I expected something to happen. With the konoe arc behind us, I expected Hecate to show up once again. It's interesting to see how they'll handle this. I'm all open for some anime-only stuff as long as they'll handle it well enough. I think that it's a bit too soon for complaining though. There are still 2 whole episodes and I'm sure that they'll give us a good explanation for what happened in this episode. My prediction: I think that the balle masque just wants to place the reiji maigo in the Silver. And the balle masque has been planning to get the reiji maigo and the silver together all season already. You could say that the season has been building up to this anime-only part. Spoiler for spoilers:
So many things could happen. Maybe something will go wrong. Maybe the flame hazes will stop her. Maybe this is some kind of illusion. Maybe Hecate is still in the castle of the balle masque and she's just making contact with the reiji maigo somehow with her staff. Who knows. Everything could happen. I'm very interested in next episode.
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2008-03-14, 07:50 | Link #94 | |
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Ending combos: Shana - Dead Hecate - Dead Metamorphosis - Dead Yuji X Kazumi Tanaka X Oga Margery X Sato Ike X Wilhelemina () Right?
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2008-03-14, 07:59 | Link #95 | ||||||
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The Konoe section was a bit too long, with not enough action breaks in it - if they had just one fewer "slice of life" episode, and one more action-esque episode, I would have been perfectly Ok with it. Still, as filler goes, I liked it more than the sort of filler you see in animes like Bleach, and Dragonball Z I guess that were you see "harem", I see "slice of life", and while I myself have grown to dislike harem anime, I do like slice of life anime episodes (in moderation - Shana overdid it for a bit). Quote:
However, in any good war story, you don't lose sight of those individual and personal elements that make you care about the damaging affects of the war. As Joseph Stalin said, one death is a tragedy while a thousand deaths is a statistic. So, the most important thing for an anime with war in it to do is to make you really care about the characters... otherwise the broader drama and impact of the war itself is lost. If you don't care about these characters, then why would you care about the war? One way to make people care about the characters is to show nice slice-of-life episodes every now and then - to show glimpses of the friendly and serene sort of life that the protagonists (and their supporting cast) are able to have when the war is at a low ebb. I think that Shana Season 2 tries to take half of their episodes for this goal, and take another half of their episodes for focusing on the action, conflict, and violence of the war itself. Now, that ratio might be a bit too slanted towards "slice of life", but it isn't as bad a ratio as I think some people view it. Quote:
And even the Konoe bit was barely a harem - with three girls seemingly interested in Yuji. In retrospect though, that was never a harem either, as Konoe wasn't a true Harem member in the sense of harem members given by Ranma Saotome's or Negi Springfield's or Tenchi Misaki's harem... but rather a copy of Hecate who was callously using Yuji. Hecate might be moe, but that doesn't change the fact that she's a cold, selfish and self-centered antagonist, who'll gladly snuff out the life of an innocent teenage boy to achieve her goals. And honestly, Hecate might be moe compared to most anime villains, but she's no Osaka (Azumanga Daioh). If she's the most moe character in Shana than it's not a very moe anime (which I agree with you it shouldn't be). Quote:
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I feel that the use of Hecate in Shana Season 2 has been downright judicious - they've used her just enough to have her come across as the main villain of Shana Season 2, but nowhere near enough to make someone who doesn't already dislike her character to grow sick of her. Quote:
I can understand your desire to strictly limit the amount of moe in a serious anime like Shakugan no Shana, but I think that you're taking it to the point where you've developed a strong bias against a good villain who happens to be a bit moe. Hecate has served her villain role fine, imo. Last edited by Triple_R; 2008-03-14 at 08:15. |
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2008-03-14, 08:03 | Link #96 | |
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Or better yet, Shana starts to feel feelings of the real Yukari Hirai and starts falling in love with Hayato, leaving an opening for a MMFF orgy! j/k, we all know it's Yuji x Shana. |
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2008-03-14, 08:05 | Link #97 | |
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2.) I agree 3.) I Agree 4.) you forgot Bel-Peor 5.) Only gonna happen in your fanfics. 6.) I agree Tanaka, and Oga are so cute. 7.) As much as I would like to see this it probably won't be shown in the Anime, or the Novels. 8.) Your joking right...... |
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2008-03-14, 08:14 | Link #98 | |
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Wilhelemina: You complain too much ~de arimasu~ Ike: I'm sorry. But could you please stop walking so fast? Wilhelemina: Must make haste to Tomogara station ~de arimasu Headband: Time Important Ike: *Sigh* I omitted Bel-Peor because she's never shown romantic interest in anyone in the love net. minhtam: Or Hikari breaks out of Shana, as Shana had been collecting power of existance, and there was enough for Hikari to come alive again, and Shana admits that she loves Hikari.
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2008-03-14, 08:30 | Link #100 |
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I could see Metamorphosis and Bel Peol ending up together... if they both survive to the end.
Kazumi/Ike would have been ideal, since it solves the love triangle in a way that leaves the fewest unhappy unattached characters, but it's unlikely now. I actually think that there's a pretty good chance that Kazumi or Shana will die. The Kazumi-Yuji-Shana love triangle now strikes me as one that resolves itself by one of the corners getting cut off... honestly, that strikes me as the only way it gets resolved at this rate. |
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