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If you want to cover the base of "Just maybe, Father is still alive", then what's the point of excluding Ange? If you go with "Wouldn't put it past him" Kinzo, he hates all the grandkids, too. If you go by EP8, and you think he was a pretty cool gramps, then they'd have the advantage of having two kids to use in whatever crazy shenanigans might arise. |
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2011-07-19, 00:19 | Link #23283 |
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Still, I do not believe they would have neglected bringing Ange to the conference even if she was sick, she'd have a hell of a better chance than Battler ever would, and it would probably be twice as amazing if she made any special achievements while being sick, something that has a higher chance of getting Kinzo to look in their general direction.
I do think your theory sounds possible, but I'm just not too sold on it because everything would have to be perfectly planned to the dot, and I do not believe any relative was even SLIGHTLY convinced that Kinzo would give his inheritance on whim to their cousins, or to anyone at all. They simply did not care at the moment, to them, getting the minimal amount out of Krauss was what really mattered, Battler had no real part in that, I am still convinced that, whether there was some external plans other than the inheritance, Rudolph simply begged Battler to come back to the family a long time before the conference, and simply went to go back with lost family. It was clear that none of them actually figured Kinzo would come out when called because either A: He was dead and Krauss is lying or B: He's too much of a crazy guy to leave the study. It just feels that there would need to be a godly amount of fortune-telling for this scenario to work. Also, I don't think Kyrie would have brought him as insurance, because Rudolph does not want her involved as a woman, I don't think she really interfered with the conference. It just seems out of place for Rudolph, but not completely impossible. Also, if you think they wouldn't bring a sick child to the conference, they might if they're willing to bring a ex-ex-family member as a token for insurance. |
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2011-07-19, 02:54 | Link #23285 |
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It's a ten question per Episode test, where you can formulate your aswers based on what you think is the truth. It was made by KEIYA, the one who also did the interview with Ryűkishi I translated...and Ryűkishi approved of that test as well.
It's done in collaboration so that other people might join into the Forgery game. I'm almost finished with mine, but I'm going to be in London until Friday. So I'll post it then...hopefully the discussion won't continue TOO far until then |
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In short, we don't need to justify Battler's absence because it's a writing contrivance.
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My point is, she wrote the stories before anything happened. There were two likely outcomes: a. The epitaph got solved, the gold was given to whoever solved it, and Yasu's future was in this person's/people's hands. In this case, the letters in the bottles would probably have been thought of just a joke, since no one would have died. b. No one tried solving the epitaph, Yasu killed the majority of them and then blew the island up. In this case the letters in the bottles played the "And then there were none" role. So, in this case Yasu wouldn't have been playing the role of a martyr, but she'd actually have been the actual murderer. Mind you, I'm not going to mention the fact there was a boat ready for Yasu and Battler to escape... That's another story. Quote:
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Also, this would be Piece Battler and not BATTLER.
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I can't completely deny your reasoning, it is possible, but I guess I'll just remain unsold on it. Also, I'm pretty sure the ''black witch'' is a title, like Endless or Certainty, meaning ''anyone can be a black witch''. Maria's confusion with possession seems to deny this though, as she calls her mama ''the black witch'', but then again they use every person with ''endless'' as ''the endless witch''. I figured Kasumi took an image of Eva because you could feel similar hearts from them. Sort of like how Ange thought Ikuko produced a similar ''scent'' to Beatrice. |
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I mean, yea, there's probably Rudolf wanting to patch things up with Battler and reveal to Kyrie the truth of everything, but my idea is probably more in line with what Kyrie thinks is going on. Quote:
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Basically there's only two possible scenarios here:
And no, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If Fukuin had no male servants, Krauss should have been suspicious of Kanon. But there's no evidence Kanon existed the way the stories say he did anyway, so there's no way to know if Krauss ever had any opportunity to question it (and in a story, he won't even if he should). Likewise, if a male servant was presented in R-Prime, we have nothing that shows us Krauss didn't question it then. Quote:
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I'm personally pretty fond of the "Battler did remember" thing but again, prove it.
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2011-07-19, 19:58 | Link #23294 |
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Episode 7 Tea Party, quote based on memory and not 100% accurate after Shannon and George go out:
''Hm, I guess back then, Shannon was my first love''. At the very least, he remembered he loved her. Also, Dlanor's and Virgilia's lecture to Battler in ep 5 has a vague hint about the ''embarrassed couples''. ''Now that you mention it, my first love was like that'' |
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2011-07-19, 21:09 | Link #23298 |
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Defending the "Fukuin = Mixed-gender Orphanage" Theory, in EP6 Kanon DOES talk about male servants and how Natsuhi became bitter to them after rumors of her being kinder to them spread.
Although, in EP6 we also see that Jessica's reaction to Kanon being male (or looking like one, at least) was "...A boy servant?" like it wasn't commonplace. So it IS possible Fukuin is an all-girls orphanage. That, or male servants brought from the Fukuin House were very unusual. |
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Well, male servants aren't unusual at all (Gohda exists, Genji exists). The question is whether the Fukuin House fosters male children. I mean you could take Jessica's surprise to be less that there's a male servant and more that there's a young male servant. Everyone knows that the family employs males.
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Side thing from EP7 I found on the umineco wiki: it's a little odd that even though the Fukuin servants avoid using their blessed names when off the job, Yasu's possibly imaginary idol is always just "Shannon".
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