[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 5 End of the golden witch

[Marion]

Originally Posted by marebito

Didn't the game advance until the last moment of 10/05 in EP3? Then I see a difference there. Sure if we consider the clock alone this was the same in EP5 but I'm not so sure about that since it's such a seemingly significant deviation apart from that.

On the other hand your point is also a logical conclusion. After Natsuhi's accusation the characters stay as a group and keep an eye on Natsuhi until 10/06 and from then on the possibility of Natsuhi as culprit becomes 'the truth' for that kakera.

It didn't. It stops after Eva shoots Battler and kills him. After that it's the cheesy Golden Land sequence.

[crazysjd89]

Personally, for me, Episode 5 is my favorite so far.

Spoiler:

I think this batch of music is my favorite set. Esspecially discolor, even though I always remember the scene it plays in which was really sad. Also, I really liked Erika. >> <<

I'm wondering if the next game will be something like Revival of the Golden Witch, or Battle of the Golden Witch.

It's hard for me to choose a favorite chapter between chapter 11, chapter 14, and the hidden tea party.

Also, knowing the Knox Commandments apply, I feel a bit more motivated to go through the first four episodes again. My theories for the most part follow the commandments. I had planned to refine my theories earlier though.

As far as preferences in episodes go, for me.

Episode 5 > Episode 4 > Episode 3 > Episode 1 > Episode 2




This was a few pages back, but as far as Battler being hypocritical, I disagree. If you'll allow me to use this analogy:

A kid believes that 2+2 is 5, however, one day, someone explains to him that 2+2 is actually 4. The next day, this kid hears another person who thinks 2+2 is 5, and he tells them that they are wrong, it is actually 4.

This might seem like a hypocritical action, because he also thought the answer was 5 before, however, it's different. It is simply because he gained new knowledge, and he acknowledged his shortcoming, and so became aware that 2+2 is 4. This is how people grow, by learning from mistakes.

You touch the heated stovetop only once.

Similarlly, Battler is also learning. If you want to talk about his actions being hypocritical, wouldn't his transition from Episode 2 to Episode 3 be more hypocritical? However, you probably didn't think that. Because Battler learned that "There is a high probability that the culprit is one of the relatives or servants", so he could no longer keep his mentality from Episode 1 and 2. So even though this is a hypocritical action, you wouldn't blame him of being a hypocrite would you?

Episode 1: He would never place the blame on any of the family members, and blames a 19th person x
Episode 2: He begins to question if some of what happened can only be solved by a 19th person.
Episode 3: He learns that only the relatives and servants are on the island, so he begins to pick out the one who is most suspicious and lay the blame on them.
Episode 4: Similar to Episode 3.
Episode 5: He learned that simply blaming the first suspicious person might not be the truth. In order for the truth to come, he not only has to look at the suspicious person as guilty, but also as if they are innocent. In other words, "Innocent until proven absolutely guilty". At one point, Battler even acknowledges that Natsuhi might be guilty, "Is... Natsuhi really... the culprit" or something.

His actions seem hypocritical, but that is only because he is learning, I think.

[MeoTwister5]

Before I begin, there is a lot of parallelism talk of the events by Beato to Romance of the Three Kingdoms, the story of the 3 warring states of the post-Han era of China. You may need to read a bit about it since it'll take me too long to give a background of this era (it's a really long book).

Spoiler for Ep5 Summaries:

This is the scene after the previous MetaWorld and just before they try to break into Kinzo's room.

- Gaap comes out to a room apparently carrying corpses.
- They complement the very nice imitation due to the very clean and precise cut on the head. Gaap says she's impressed (?) as only the servants of Beato could be able to do this.
- They put the bodies together so now they cannot be found. They say with the bodies gone there wil be doubts on both the victims and the murderer.
- Mammon and Asmo ask her why she's hiding the bodies (?). Satan also appears. The rest is undecipherable.
- Ronove reports to Beato Gaap's success. They say that now the focus will be on Kinzo's study. She says there are only again 2 keys to the study.
- Beato talks about a triangle combat? Probably meaning that it's a threeway battle between her, Bern and Lambda. Battle Royal China. She likens it to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Post-Han warring states era). They speak it in parallel to the current events.
- They make a lot of parallelisms to RotTK. I've read the story but it's too long and complicated to explain here for you so just look up the wiki or something. =p
- In the most basic sense, it's because Beato considers this a 3-way battle now.
- Satan enters and confirms that the survivors now know all the bodies are missing and that they now head for Kinzo's room.
- Natsuhi knocks on Kinzo's door asking for him. Eva bangs on it demanding he get up.
- Erika asks about using the phone. Nanjo says not to piss of Kinzo due to his mood swing, I think.
- Battler asks about Kinzo. Shannon says he hasn't left the room in a month.
- The adults now seem to suspect the true status of Kinzo. They ask who last saw him, Natsuhi says it was her.
- She says she saw him just before Battler announced his finding of the gold. This was, as Erika says, about 11pm.
- The adults insist to get inside. Natsuhi restrains them. Eva suggests the highest ranking person should decide. It is her, when you think about it.
- Kanon says it does not open with a master key. He says only two keys open it and Kinzo has them (?). Battler and Erika call it a secret room. She says things are finally gettig interesting. She even suggests I think he may be dead on his bed.
- Natsuhi is insulted by Erika's remark. She says he is safe as it is impossible for anyone to get inside.
- More arguments. Battler wonders why Natsuhi is so damn protective of Kinzo and his room.
- Erika says it may be prudent to start thinking the murders are related to the epitaph. She says that in the end 13 are supposed to die.
- Rudolph question's this and Erika references Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None" and Shoji Shimada's "Asrology Murder".
- She rambles something about completing the serial murder sequence and getting attention as the highest serial murder count in Japan (?).
- She explains to them how Christi and Shimada's works are very similar to their situation (?).
- Creepy Erika Laughter
- Battler rebutts with something about the history of Japanese murder mysteries (?).
- He mentions something about Astrology and Thailand and something. Whatever he meant, Erika seems surprised.
- MetaWorld Smash. Lambda laughs and mocks Bern for Battler's rebuttal of Erika. They both laugh like idiots with some glass smashing sounds. The hell.
- Erika concedes to her mistake. Some more exchange between them I don't get.
- Rudoph tells them to stop it as confirming Kinzo's status is the priority.
- They ask if the door can be borken or something. Kyrie asks if they can get through a window. Erika asks if there's a ladder that can reach the third floor.
- Kanon says the gardne shed ladder isn't enough. Gohda remembers the one in the boiler room should be long enough.
- Kanon and Natsuhi seems irate. Kanon knew of the ladder but disregarded it because they had Kinxo's secret to keep. Apparently Gohda had forgotten this.
- Nanjo and Shannon says it's too dangerous. Gohda eventually volunteers is made to do it (?).
- They are now in the courtyard. There is no wind due to it being enclosed by walls on all sides. Battler brings the ladder. Kanon and Shannon try to cover them with umbrellas but Rudolph says not to mind since they'll all get wet anyway.
- Rudolph and Battler joke around on who's athletic enough. He tella Battler and Gohda to nail down the ladder (?).
- Battler takes a hammer to break down the window.
- They talk about the shutters and when they are opened and closed. Opened in the morning and closed at night. Some more stuff I don't understand.

[MeoTwister5]

Ok umm what is more correct? Dlanor or Dranor? In Japanese it's said as Drano-ru but in English Dlanor seems more appropriate...

[Archer]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Ok umm what is more correct? Dlanor or Dranor? In Japanese it's said as Drano-ru but in English Dlanor seems more appropriate...

Dlanor. It fits with Ronald, as in the Ronald Knox that created the ten rules.

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by Archer

Dlanor. It fits with Ronald, as in the Ronald Knox that created the ten rules.

I see thanks.

Ok for the next summary, due to the dynamic nature of the Battles, since most of the events are occurring in Beato's metaworld I'll be indicating if theres a Real World break that explains certain events before the action returns to the metaworld

It's one hell of a difficult ride but please bear with me.

I will update this post with the summary when I'm done with it. Also, Dlanor is fucking awesome.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Ok umm what is more correct? Dlanor or Dranor? In Japanese it's said as Drano-ru but in English Dlanor seems more appropriate...

How the hell do you pronounce "Dlanor"?

Wouldn't "Dranol" work better? Same letters...

[Klashikari]

That doesn't work, since it is kinda obvious Ryukishi used the reversed order of the letters.
That said, we will ask Ryukishi if he wanted to use something more fancy than strict reversed letter order (who knows, maybe he used "dlanor" as a blue print and really mean using japanese romaji, so duranolu or something like that).

But without any other detail, it has to be Dlanor.

[sento]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

How the hell do you pronounce "Dlanor"?

Wouldn't "Dranol" work better? Same letters...

Dlanor A. Knox = Ronald A. Knox.

[Kimura sensei]

A small question to people that completed the game:

Spoiler:

What was Lady MARIA's reaction to Beatrice's death?

[Klashikari]

MARIA wasn't present at all.
Same goes to Sakutarou.

[MeoTwister5]

Oh god this scene is long but epic beyond belief. The next summary is cut down during a transition because I'm tired. Will continue later.

Also, Beato just failed massive.

Spoiler for Very long Ep5 summary:

This summary starts when they break into Kinzo room and the very long and epic duel between Dlanor and Beato. That is it isn;t done yet, I cut it here and will post the rest later.

- Inside the room Kinzo and Beato seem to be talking. She says the barrier might be broken now and he should escape.
- She says with Eva at the door and Rudolph entering through the window he has no path of retreat.
- Ronove suggests hiding (?) under the bed.
- Gaap says they will protect him. He says they will not likewise escape unharmed. He hides uner the bed.
- Ronove warns thatg Rudolph is nearing the window. She tells Ronove and Gaap to go and she'll protect it herself.
- She talks of how Bern's piece Erika Furuko is a frightening partner.
- Some hard to read text. Ronove and Gaap understand and decide to leave. Ronove is worried that despite being like a queen, Beato will have a hard time in such an open match.
- They talk of secret rooms and blahblahblah before Gaap and Ronove leave.
- Beato disappears into her golden butterfly forms (?) as Rudolph knocks on the window.
- He calls out to Kinzo with no response. After 30sec of asking Kyrie tells him to break it down.
- The glass breaks after a while and Rudolph gets inside. He calls out more for Kinzo. The room is described like a small villa.
- He checks around. He notices the rooms and the bed are empty. He checks the bed and feels it cold, suggesting no one has been sleeping on it for the past while. He wonders ih Kinzo managed to slip out.
- Rudolph thinks Kinzo's been gone for a while, perhaps during the time frame of the murders. He tells them to go back inside after handing Kyrie the key and using the desk button to open the self-locking door.
- Everyone enters as Natsuhi tries to greet Kinzo. Rudolph tells them Kinzo is gone but there are signs of someone being in there before.
- Eva questions Natsuhi. She says Kinzo has a habit of leaving his room at night to stroll. Nanjo and Kumasawa seem to agree.
- Eva suggests he might be in a closet or something. Erika decides to search. Natsuhi tells them to touch nothing.
- Erika makes an accusatory jab (?) at Natsuhi that surprises everyone.
- Erika begins to question (?) Natsuhi's attitude during this third-rate mystery. Natsuhi tells her to stop being impudent and she rambles around the room for Kinzo.
- Battler wonders how you can shut yourself up this way even after you leave. Kanon and Shannon think the jig is up (?) but Kumasawa says to trust in god's fate.
- After going through the room like a tsunami, Natsuhi tells everyone to cease and desist so as not to ruin his study.
- Beato sidebar. She asks Natsuhi if things are safe. Apparently it is, but some of the text I can't understand.
- Erika tells them to stop since there is obviously no evidence of anyone here. Rudolph says there is no place for him to hide that they haven't seen. Eva adds there is no suspicious person inside.
- Natsuhi now demands that they all leave. Eva says it is not her decision to make. Erika tells them to STFU so she can think.
- She reiterates the current details: Natsuhi met him here at 11pm the previous night. She asks if anyone can prove it. Battler asks why. Erika says because only Natsuhi herself claims she met him.
- She tries to establish her alibi. Kyrie also chimes in. Battler asks if this alibi applies just for the supposed talk with Kinzo or with the murders as well.
- She says it happened later so they must first confirm her alibi for 11pm, if there's any proof that she was really here. She says it's boring if the first person suspected was really the culprit.
- Nanjo wonders if she's really that suspicious. Gohda comes to her defense.
- Natsuhi tells them to STFU and asks Erika the basis of her impolite accusation.
- Erika compares it to some TV drama, makes a face that Battler notices, and then speaks.
- The narrator (Battler) compares it to an actor taking center stage.
- Erika tells them to recall after Genji was found how they started to wonder who was last to see Kinzo. Flashback to when Natsuhi claims to have seen him prior to Battler's announcement.
- Kyrie and Erika question Natsuhi's demeanor of that moment. With Kanon's input, Erika says it is unnatural for Natsuhi to suddenly answer the question with "I" when it was asked out of the blue.
- Gohda snaps and says Natsuhi wouldn't conceal anything.
- Natsuhi asks why she thinks it is unnatural. Erika asks why she needed to be so specific about the detail (?)(Not sure if this is the correct interpretation)
- Erika questions the specificity (?) of 11pm and the way Natsuhi refers to herself and Kinzo at that moment. Kyrie also questions this. From what I can tell, it seems Erika is trying to get at the slips in Natsuhi's wording when she states she was the last one to meet Kinzo at 11pm.
- Nanjo and Kumasawa chime in to defend Natsuhi's explanation. Erika wonders about this.
- Erika tells them to recall just a while ago when Natsuhi tries to explain Kinzo's disappearance by using a dream revelation that causes his capriciuosness to leave and stroll around the residence. Natsuhi pointed to Nanjo who "confirms" this, as well as Kumasawa.
- Erika and Battler question the validity of this shared testimony. They apparently have an excuse for everything. Beato tells Natsuhi to hang on from this assault.
- Eva questions Natsuhi, on how the servants and Nanjo seem to try and corroborate Natsuhi's claims (?). Erika is still seeking proof of Natsuhi's alibi.
- Eva thinks that Natsuhi's trying to cover something. Natsuhi cannot reply and the servants gulp their throats.
- Eva begins to air her suspicions about what's been happening since last year.
- Erika suggests that Kinzo was never here to begin with. Mayhaps he's already dead!
- Everyone airs their suspicions since last year that some fate befell Kinzo. Kyrie insinuates that Natsuhi has a motive for concealing Kinzo's death. She thinks embezzlement.
- Eva says if this were the case, and it is found out Kinzo's dead, the embezzlement scam would be discovered when the assets are calculated.
- Erika agrees and says it is boring.
- Natsuhi denies it all. Gohda cracks from the pressure. I think he was actually admitting the entire affair but the text is hard to read. Natsuhi tells him to STFU.
- Erika suggests all the employees were in on it.
- MetaWorld Sidebar. Erika tells Kinzo he does not exist. He laughs as Erika says both hello and goodbye. Beato crashes in and drags her to her MetaWorld(?)

MetaWorld(?)
- Erika and Beato introduce each other. Beato calls her Bern's horse. She wants to fight her but Erika responds she is nothing compared to her master Bern. She still wants to fight her. Beato can apparently use the blue for this match (?). I guess the red is with Erika?
- Stakes sounds are made. Satan comes out and a blue light is driven through Erika's collarbone. Beato says in blue that it cannot be negative the possibility that Natsuhi met Kinzo at 11pm. She says that Kinzo was inside for the 6 hours after until someone broke in and he slipped out of the room. Therefore, his status cannot be declared without a doubt.
- Erika is quiet. She calmly fiddles with the blue stake in her body. Beato says it can only come off with red truth. She mocks her to being unable to counter with red. She declares checkmate.
- Erika says she is the detective and will fight for the mystery side. She beckons Doranoru (or should we say, Dlanor).
- MetaWorld Sidebar. Lambda describes Dlanor as that archbishop who hunts witches. Bern says it is suitable for this fight. Dlanor is supposed to be a perfect piece for witch fighting. Bern describes pinning with two rooks.
- Dlanor appears beside Erika. He full name it seems is Dlanor A. Knox. If that's familiar, yes, Knox's rules.
- She (?) introduces herself to Beato and likewise. They discuss something I don't get.
- Erika says something about the blue stake. Again I can't decipher.
- Natsuhi is worried but Beato says not to worry.
- Eva(?) says it could be he snuck out. Natsuhi reacts angrily.
- The Siestas and one of Dlanor's attendants appear. The attendant says in red that from 11pm onward, the door did not open.
- RealWorld Smash. Eva says she pinned a receipt at the door which proves the door was not opened after 11pm. This means Kinzo could not have left by the door. They also confirm that the windows are locked.
- Second of Dlanor's attendants comes and says in red that everything was locked, even the windows.
- The Siestas are freaking out. Apparently they can't shoot down the red truths. Dlanor says she has no escape. Apparently Beato has no intention of escaping (?).
- RealWorld Smash. Hideyoshi and Eva seem to insist that Natsuhi is covering up the truth of Kinzos status. I think they mean he was never here to begin with.
- Beato summons up Gaap. I assume they disappear through Gaap's portals.
- RealWorld Smash. Natsuhi is infuriated by this insinuation. Gohda defends her. She suggests a secret door of Kinzo's. Eva challenges this. Natsuhi says she doesn't know. Servants deny knowing of it, but don't discount that Kinzo may have one. Kyrie however notes that Probatio Diabolica means that they cannot prove it does not exist.
- Beato states in blue that you cannot prove that the secret door cannot exist. You can't therefore deny that Kinzo could have escaped through this door.
- Dlanor breaks out her red sword of awesome and states that there is no such secret door in this damn room. Beato is dragged back into the room.
- Beato panics as to how she can use the red when she isn't a game master. Erika states in red that Knox article 3 means no secet passages are allowed. Dlanor says such mechanisms are blasphemous to their god?
- Lambda/Bern Smash. They comment on Beato's use of Probatio Diabolica.
- Beato, reeling from this red, states in blue that it is possible to just return the receipt on the door after opening it. Dlanor cuts it down with the previous red that the door was never opened.
- Beato states in blue that Kinzo could have some magic potion thingy that made him pass through the door without opening, like through the keyhole (WTF)
- Dlanor cuts it down with red, that such medicine cannot exist.
- Beato counters in blue that he could have such a machine. Dlanor says in red no such item exists.
- Beato suggests in blue a some sort of scientific apparatus. Dlanor denied this in red. Dlanor goes so far as to say such things will never occur in the future. Beato is flabbergasted.
- Erika reminds her that Knoc article 4 states that such unknown things of difficult scientific value are prohibited. Dlanor says such things are denied by their god for mankind.
- Beato is reeling from the pain of the red. Some discussion between her, Kinzo and Natsuhi I can't get sorry.
- Dlanor says she's a disappointment. Beato says she isn't done.
- She says something about leaving? The Siestas think she may insist that Kinzo is in another room.
- Beato says in blue that Natsuhi may not have spoken to Kinzo directly. Kinzo could have spoken to her while he was in some other room. She says Natsuhi was talking to him through an internal house line in the study. Another blue about the relatives assuming that he must be inside the study (?).
- Asmodeus shoots out a blue wedge. The Siestas call it effective as gold butterflies come out. Dlanow tries to pull out the blue.
- Beato also suggests in blue that it could someone else claiming to be Kinzo. (?) Natsuhi calls this room Honorable Father (?).
- Beato even suggests Natsuhi and Kinzo are one and the same. Natsuhi was there at 11pm, locked everything and left.
- More stakes attack Dlanor. Beato mocks Dlanor. Siestas and Natsuhi congratulate her.
- Kinzo says they can only escape if they pin down Dlanor. Erika reminds Natsuhi that they are also in diret opposition.
- RealWorld Smash. Erika asks Natsuhi to explain herself properly to clear her name. She asks if she took up the name of Kinzo. Eva agrees. She calls it an impudent accusation. She says Kinzo is Kinzo and she reported to him. Erika asks her to repeat that she was there at 11pm and talked to Kinzo. She repeats. Erika asks her to say that Kinzo had exited via the window, the windows closed and locked. She asks why she would toss him out.
- Dlanor's attendants say in red that when she means Kinzo, she means who she means, and that she insists meeting him at 11pm. The blue wedges start coming out.
- In essence, by insisting that she met Kinzo and only Kinzo, and that she would never have thrown him out the window, it negates the Beato's assertion of blue that it involved Kinzo not being inside.
- Dlanor says the next wedge is the problem of Kinzo being inside past 11pm. She says that even if he had a secret compartment, he'd still be inside the room anyway. She pulls out another wedge.
- Dlanor says the next wedge involves Kinzo's whereabouts, and if he is indeed hidden in this room. Beato says in blue that he is under the bed as Dlanor comes closer to her. Dlanor says the bed underside has been searched. Another wedge out.
- Beato says in blue the bathtub. Dlanor cuts it down in red as it has been searched. One more stake gone.
- Beato says closet in blue, the desk in blue, the curtains in blue. Dlanor says all of those have been searched. Cue Dlanor super creepy yellow eyes. More wedges removed.
- Beato says a fuckload of locations in blue too fast for me to read. Dlanor is not amused by this bullshit and denies all that in red. She cuts down all of Beato's blue attacks. Cue epic Dlanor face.

- Apparently Beato is catapualted aside. Erika mocks her pointless attempts at the blue. She lands the finishing blow on Beato. She declares her detective right and declares that this room had been uninhabited for a long time, and Natsuhi made a lie of meeting him here last night. She declares checkmate.
- The warp portal Beato was in disappears. She's essentially critically injured.
- Kinzo thanks her for her help. He says now, Battler is the true successor. Beato has no regrets. This Battler is Battler's piece? Battler seems to have noticed Beato in this side metaworld.
- Battler is apparently feeling a bunch of emotions at what Natsuhi's been doing. He says this is no good. Beato hears it.
- Kinzo wants to see proof from Battler aside from the gold.
- End of very long MetaWorld Scene.

Taking a massive break. This sequence alone ate up 3 hours lol!

Edit - Oh snap before I forget here's the updated lists for Red and Blue Text. A lot was used for this scene.

Spoiler for Red Text:

- Is Kinzo already dead?
- Kinzo is dead before the start.
- Battler cannot return until the game is properly concluded.
- Natsuhi was drinking tea alone. There was no Beato there.
- Erika is a detective and not a criminal, cannot be a criminal, and no proof is needed for this.
- The detective is not a criminal (Knox Article 7)
- Everyone who exists on the island are together in the drawing room.
- The gold mountain is genuine. All the ingots piled in there are real. There is no cheat to fake it.
- Beato gains nothing if the epitaph is solved.
- The first gold and the found gold are the children's (?)
- Whether or not the epitaph is solved, Beato gains nothing out of it.
- Battler is not a criminal, he does not kill anyone and this applies for all games.
- To instill fear is not the purpose of the murders, nor is it for revenge.
- Erika has the detective's rights. She has the right to inspect the crime scene as per right of the human side. *
- Beyond 11pm, the door to Kinzo's room was not opened.
- All of the windows in Kinzo's room are locked.
- Knox article 3 states secret passages are prohibited.
- Kinzo has no such medicine, scientific apparatus or machine that allows passage through an unpened door.
- No such device will ever exist in the future for humanity.
- When Natsuhi means speaking with Kinzo she means the real one, and that she insists meeting him at 11pm.
- An entire bunch of red text that denies Kinzo being able to hide anywhere in his study.

Spoiler for Blue Text:

- Battler says in blue that he thinks everyone's just following the lie that Kinzo is alive but really dead so that everyone's beliefs will coincide, and that they will relay his words in the same manner he would say them. He says that they can follow this because they say that Kinzo is locked up in his room and his existence cannot be (?) verified.
- He says in blue that this is because they need all their stories to match and keep the lie of Kinzo being alive.
He covers her wound and says in blue that since there is no indication as to the true status of Kinzo and the others on that day, he sees no true contradiction of the current scene.
- He says in blue that since his concern is only denying Beato on the 5th and 6th, whether or not she is there before that is not important to him.
- During the excitement of the moment, Battler saw something he mistook for Kinzo in his jet-black mantle and imagined talking to him.
- In truth the victims were not dead. They pretended to be and have relocated. It is so until you declare them dead in red.
- Krauss was the one responsible for hiding the bodies since he has no alibi for his location.
- George and the others hid while they used fake bodies and hid these bodies when the rest left. The bodies are not counted as people on the island.
- Beato says in blue that it cannot be negative the possibility that Natsuhi met Kinzo at 11pm. Kinzo was inside the room in the 6 hours until someone broke in and he slipped out of the room. Therefore, Kinzo's status cannot be declared without a doubt.
- Beato says that through Probatio Diabolica, you cannot prove that a secret door cannot exist. Therefore, you cannot deny that Kinzo could have snuck out.
- Beato says in blue that the receipt could have been replaced when the door is opened.
- She says in blue that he could have a machine or medicine that allows him to pass through the unopened door.
- She says Natsuhi was talking to Kinzo through an internal house line while he was elsewhere.
- Natsuhi might have spoken to someone claiming to be Kinzo (?).
- Beato even suggests in blue that Kinzo and Natsuhi are one and the same!

[Kimura sensei]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

MARIA wasn't present at all.
Same goes to Sakutarou.

That's a shame. I wish she would get a larger role after what happened in Episode 4.

[blitz1/2]

hmm, I wonder if battler actually got his priorities straight.

so, what he wants to do is (according to order I guess.)
1. Defeat Erika
2. Resurrect beatrice
3. Defeat Beatrice once revived (basically a message to others, "ONLY I CAN KILL HER!")
4. Take back his family

Anything else more to add?

[Li Jianliang]

I'm working on taking billions of screenshots, translating some of the text (+ all red and blue text), and writing summaries as I go through the game in parts.

Each part is the amount of gameplay covered in one sitting. They're probably 20 minutes apiece if you're a fast reader.

Part I
Part II (This one is somewhat rambling, I apologize)
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI (In progress)

At this point I have no clue how long the game is, so maybe it'll run into 20+ parts.
...I am slow to play the game.

[MeoTwister5]

Oh fuck yes epic Battler+Kinzo tag team. Here's some more summaries.

Spoiler for Ep5 summaries:

This summary is the entirety of Battler's rebuttals against Dlanor. Ends just before the next metaworld scene with Lambda and Bern.

- Natsuhi demands they stop sullying Kinzo's name. Erika reiterates that they've caught her lying and that she was alone in the room that night. She should start confessing.
- Battler breaks his silence and says his classic "this is no good" line. Erika glares at Battler. He says something about third rate detectives and calls himself Kinzo (?)
- Side Metaworld. Erika says his denial of her checkmate is foolishness. Battler appears here and confronts Dlanor. He says this checkmate is no good.
- Rudolph asks how he'd become an old man.
- Battler clarifies that he'll show how he can disappear from the room like Kinzo. Hideyoshi says all doors and windows are locked. Erika concedes that since he has the ring and is considered successor, he can play the substitute. Erika is displeased and angry.
- Side MetaWorld. Kinzo and Beato are surprised at Battler. Battler seems to have an answer. Kinzo seems disappointed only his blood descendant who has been absent for 6 years understands the situation. He allows him to sub and tells him not to disgrace him.
- Battler asks Natsuhi to come with him to the window. He turns his back to everyone and whispers in her ear.
- Erika speaks to Dlanor. Dlanor asks her attendants to reconfirm the status of the room.
- Beato's furniture seem to support Battler.
- Battler begins by pointing to the bed. He lies on the bed and shows how she would speak to Kinzo. He suggests that he would be asleep and would not answer. Natsuhi says she made sure he was tucked in, bows and leaves.
- Natsuhi goes about the usual of checking the room after she bows. Battler says she left after checking Kinzo's room. He says it is to make sure Sharron does clean the room everyday. Compared to that however her check seems trivial.
- Natsuhi says she checks everything as he said, to make sure it gets cleaned properly.
- Battler mentions how like the TV dramas dust is seen the windows. He suggests that the room isn't cleaned regularly as it should be. Erika asks what he means. Kyrie laughs and makes a comment on Erika's detective authority.
- Battler likens this place to a summer residence inside the mansion since it is fully equipped with a bed, study, water source and bathroom. In a word, like one house. Dlanor says the idea of hiding in the house is broken.
- Battler says there must be a blind spot. When Natsuhi enters the bathroom to check for toilet paper, the rest of the room is in her blindspot. In other words, the observer (Natsuhi) is separate from the rest of the study from that place.
- Side MetaWorld. The furniture of both sides are surprised. Kinzo laughs. Erika doesn't get it. Battler says that Kinzo gets up from his spot at this time. Kinzo laughs at some moon light reference.
- Battler says Kinzo is free to move unnoticed when Natsuhi goes into the bathroom. Because she doesn't see what he is doing, her testimony is only that of what she sees and doesn't contradict this.
- Dlanor's attendants say in red that it is not impossible for someone to move in the study unnoticed (?) when Natsuhi is in the bathroom. Erika inserts that the auto-lock makes a loud sound. Natsuhi would have heard this even in the blindspot.
- Dlanor's attendant says in red that she would have heard the sound of the auto-lock, as the door is near the bathroom. She reiterates the red that Kinzo did not use the door.
- One of the attendants says these assumptions are foolish. Battler points to the window.
- Cornelia is the name of the attendant blocking the window. Getrude the one blocking the door. Battler turns to Cornelia.
- Battler is aiming for the window. He takes a low stance and seems to try and jump through it. Cornelia tries to block him with her barrier. She reiterates the red that the window was shut by Natsuhi.
- Battler states in blue that Natsuhi (inadvertedly) let him out. Kinzo slipped out voluntarily through the window. Erika asks how he could survive jumping 3 stories. She calls it foolish.
- Cornelia's red barrier is broken by the blue. The windows flay open and the curtains wave in the wind. It is called a suitable exit for the eagle.
- Dlanor tells Cornelia to put up the barrier again. She asks how the windows were locked if he left from there. She reiterates the red that the window is locked from the inside.
- "It is no good" says both Kinzo and Battler. They mock such thin use of red.
- Battler says in blue that after Kinzo leapt out, Natsuhi notices a draft and seeing the window open, panics and closes it. Kinzo adds in blue that Natsuhi never imagined he would leap out the window.
- Battler states in blue that Natsuhi thought he was still in bed.
- Red barrier of Cornelia broken. The narrator says that this barrier is even stronger than the ones Ronove used against Jessica. She puts up a blue barrier now. Cornelia says in blue that it is the third floow how could he escape from there.
- Battler demonstrates by leaping out.
- Now outside the room, the outside is surrounded by colored lights. Dlanor and Battler are floating in midair. She calls him a martyr or something.
- Battler and Dlanor do battle (?) outside. Red slashes intersect with blue.
- Dlanor states in red Knox article 8, that the detective cannot know and consider clues that is not known to the observer.
- Battler states in red that the structure of the room had been known beforehand. Erika says his words oppose Knox article 8.
- Battler says in red that you can call Kinzo's study a small villa inside the mansion. It has a study, bed, water in a bathroom and two or more rooms.
- He carves these onto Dlanor with the red sword. Dlanor compliments him. Dlanor crashes onto the courtyard.
- Battler from the third floor jumps on the hedges to make it down to the courtyard. (Probably proving you can get down from the third floor window).
- Beato compliments him. They urge Beato to fly out now that a confirmed route through the window is made. This is no longer a closed room. Beato tells Kinzo to go but he says he was already freed when Battler showed his answer. He disappears.
- Erika leaps at Beato who tries to leave, but falls on the floor. The Siestas and Dlanor's attendants cannot shoot her or block her.
- Erika wails in agony. Battler catches Beato as she lands like a knight catching a princess. Gaap and Ronove complement (?) Battler's achievement.
- Beato likewise praises him. Erika continues to wail as Battler declares to her that he has solved the mystery.
- Beato and Battler apparent joke at each other. She makes him (?) blush. Narrator describes the rain as jewels blessing two people.
- Erika is still aghast asking herself how this could be done. She insisted he could not survive but Battler proved it is possible.
- Erika tries to reason that there's a difference between Battler's and Kinzo's bodies. He is old and would not e able to do it. The adults present seem to disagree. Kyrie says her theory has just been broken.
- Brato gives Battler 60 points (?) for his actions. She tells him of trying to jump (?) down while held. Beato leaves as a flock of gold butterflies with the anti-magic toxin gone. Battler is alone on the courtyard.
- The adults realize he is safe. Dlanor asks that he deliver the finishing blow to her. Her face is described as expressionless. Battler stands beside her as she closes her eyes.
- Battler declares in blue that, without Natsuhi seeing it, Kinzo exits through the window. Natsuhi did not notice this and closes the window after. While he did escape, she thought he was in bed by 11pm before leaving, so this does not contradict the receipt on the door and the windows being locked from the inside. This is his proof of escape. This fight is settled.
- The blue strikes Dlanor's head. After a few words from Battler, Dlanor is struck down. Battler extends his challenge to Erika. Erika rambles in a mad fit.

I'm really hoping I'm nearing the end at least of Ep6 proper. I gots exams lol.

BTW updated REd and Bue:

Spoiler for Red Truth:

Episode 5
- Is Kinzo already dead?
- Kinzo is dead before the start.
- Battler cannot return until the game is properly concluded.
- Natsuhi was drinking tea alone. There was no Beato there.
- Erika is a detective and not a criminal, cannot be a criminal, and no proof is needed for this.
- The detective is not a criminal (Knox Article 7)
- Everyone who exists on the island are together in the drawing room.
- The gold mountain is genuine. All the ingots piled in there are real. There is no cheat to fake it.
- Beato gains nothing if the epitaph is solved.
- The first gold and the found gold are the children's (?)
- Whether or not the epitaph is solved, Beato gains nothing out of it.
- Battler is not a criminal, he does not kill anyone and this applies for all games.
- To instill fear is not the purpose of the murders, nor is it for revenge.
- Erika has the detective's rights. She has the right to inspect the crime scene as per right of the human side. *
- Beyond 11pm, the door to Kinzo's room was not opened.
- All of the windows in Kinzo's room are locked.
- Knox article 3 states secret passages are prohibited.
- Kinzo has no such medicine, scientific apparatus or machine that allows passage through an unpened door.
- No such device will ever exist in the future for humanity.
- When Natsuhi means speaking with Kinzo she means the real one, and that she insists meeting him at 11pm.
- An entire bunch of red text that denies Kinzo being able to hide anywhere in his study.
- It is not impossible for someone to move in the study unnoticed when Natsuhi is in the bathroom.
- Knox article 8 states that there cannot be any clues known to the detective that is not likewise known to the observer.
- Kinzo's study has a study, library, bed, water with a bathroom and two or more rooms, and can be considered a small villa inside the mansion.

Spoiler for Blue Truth:

- Battler says in blue that he thinks everyone's just following the lie that Kinzo is alive but really dead so that everyone's beliefs will coincide, and that they will relay his words in the same manner he would say them. He says that they can follow this because they say that Kinzo is locked up in his room and his existence cannot be (?) verified.
- He says in blue that this is because they need all their stories to match and keep the lie of Kinzo being alive.
He covers her wound and says in blue that since there is no indication as to the true status of Kinzo and the others on that day, he sees no true contradiction of the current scene.
- He says in blue that since his concern is only denying Beato on the 5th and 6th, whether or not she is there before that is not important to him.
- During the excitement of the moment, Battler saw something he mistook for Kinzo in his jet-black mantle and imagined talking to him.
- In truth the victims were not dead. They pretended to be and have relocated. It is so until you declare them dead in red.
- Krauss was the one responsible for hiding the bodies since he has no alibi for his location.
- George and the others hid while they used fake bodies and hid these bodies when the rest left. The bodies are not counted as people on the island.
- Beato says in blue that it cannot be negative the possibility that Natsuhi met Kinzo at 11pm. Kinzo was inside the room in the 6 hours until someone broke in and he slipped out of the room. Therefore, Kinzo's status cannot be declared without a doubt.
- Beato says that through Probatio Diabolica, you cannot prove that a secret door cannot exist. Therefore, you cannot deny that Kinzo could have snuck out.
- Beato says in blue that the receipt could have been replaced when the door is opened.
- She says in blue that he could have a machine or medicine that allows him to pass through the unopened door.
- She says Natsuhi was talking to Kinzo through an internal house line while he was elsewhere.
- Natsuhi might have spoken to someone claiming to be Kinzo (?).
- Beato even suggests in blue that Kinzo and Natsuhi are one and the same!
- Battler says in blue that Natsuhi (inadvertedly) let him out. Kinzo voluntarily slipped out through the window.
- Kinzo leapt out, Natsuhi notices the wind draft, notices the window open, panics and closes it. Kinzo says Natsuhi never imagined Kinzo would do this.
- Natsuhi thought he was still in bed.
- This is the third floow how could he escape from there (Cornelia)
- Without Natsuhi seeing it, Kinzo exits through the window. Natsuhi did not notice this and closes the window after. While he did escape, she thought he was in bed by 11pm before leaving, so this does not contradict the receipt on the door and the windows being locked from the inside. This is his proof of escape. This fight is settled.

[luckyssol]

Finally finished episode 5.

My favorite parts were:
+Battler jumping out of the window
+Catching Beato (Can't wait to see this animated )
+Bern and Erika getting owned in ???? (no victory for you (w)itch of miracles)

I didn't see any errors so I don't know what part people are talking about when they say Hideyoshi's sprite shows when it shouldn't.

-I felt bad for Natsuhi throughout most of the game and have a new respect for her.

Wierd things:
+Why was Erika wearing a swimsuit if she "accidently" fell off a boat?
+So Erika really taped the doors, watched for people from the lounge, and listened to Battler sleep all night? ok...
+I don't see how it can be possible for someone to have knocked on the door given all the red truths. Mabye the answer has to do with multiple truths existing as was mentioned near the end.

Predictions for next game:
+I don't think meta Beato will be in it (and probably won't appear again until the last game)
+Magic world Beato will be there though
+Just like Beato was able to communicate with her piece on the board Battler will now be able to as well. This will be interesting.

[Rias]

The two errors (?) that people have identified are:

1. Hideyoshi showing up in Natushi's room...which he shouldn't be able to.
2. Red text regarding Battler being in the guest house's dinning hall.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Ssol

+Why was Erika wearing a swimsuit if she "accidently" fell off a boat?

Just think how it'll look in the anime, and in the h-dōjins to come.

Originally Posted by Ssol

+Just like Beato was able to communicate with her piece on the board Battler will now be able to as well. This will be interesting.

I wonder if we'll get to see things from Battler's perspective in the following games. If he's indeed found all the answers, then we shouldn't. I think there's a chance we'll see it from Erika's point of view.

[Klashikari]

If I recall correctly, Erika was on a pleasure cruise. So we can actually expect her to take good time on the deck (using a school mizu, instead of a regular swimseat for the usual cliché).
We can speculate from there that the boat approached the typhoon close to Rokkenjima and the weather caught everyone offguard.