Utawarerumono Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[rooboy]

I actually enjoyed the cgi battle (though I guess I was probably a little overhyped, I always enjoy the big set piece battles in movies like LotR, Braveheart, Gladiator, etc.)

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Lost

Spoiler:

Eh? Isnt that what happens?

Spoiler for end of episode 7:

No, there is no explicit scene showing Hakuoro naming the country. You only hear it indirectly in Munto's report to Waabe.

Originally Posted by Psieye

If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).

The thing here is that Zhuge Liang was primarily a strategist, while Liu Bei was the one supplying the charisma and thus is able to rule. Hakuoro is pretty much loved/respected by everyone, which is why there's pretty much no choice in the matter.

[zalas]

*please delete*

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

He just forced Benawi to live. Why not force him to become the emperor as well?

Consider what was being said. Hakuoro was basically telling Benawi to not throw away his life. That's different from telling someone they have to become emperor.

And Hakuoro is still the best person for the job.

[Lost]

For all we know, Hakuoro may have been an emperor in his "past life" and he has definitely shown good leadership skills. Then again, Benawi has had the experience as samurai leader and working closely with the previous emperor; as well as having the morals and people-power ideals, and the courage to stick to his ideals, which may also make him a pretty good emperor.

Originally Posted by zalas

No, there is no explicit scene showing Hakuoro naming the country. You only hear it indirectly in Munto's report to Waabe.

oic. a scene like that would feel cheesy to me ahwell.

[Daniel E.]

Originally Posted by Shinova

Consider what was being said. Hakuoro was basically telling Benawi to not throw away his life. That's different from telling someone they have to become emperor.

This could be true; Still, I think it's actually far more complicated than just that.

Something like:

Dont be a coward that uses suicide as a means to escape. You have to see this through to the end and take responsability for your actions.

Originally Posted by Shinova

And Hakuoro is still the best person for the job.

How much do we know about Hakuoro anyway?

Originally Posted by Lost

For all we know, Hakuoro may have been an emperor in his "past life" and he has definitely shown good leadership skills. Then again, Benawi has had the experience as samurai leader and working closely with the previous emperor; as well as having the morals and people-power ideals, and the courage to stick to his ideals, which may also make him a pretty good emperor.

Yes, both have their own merits for becoming rulers; Wich is the reason as to why I am hoping for a little bit of drama over the taking of power, and not just the obvious path of picking the Hero.

[Alu]

Yet another Very Good episode this week; I have to say, judging by the last episodes up until this one, this series can only become better and better if this pace is continued.

Much like everyone I also enjoyed the battle scenes, I never expected them to place CG in them, but they way they did it was outstanding.., CG in my eyes when correctly applied can realy emphasise a scene, as such happens in these large scale battle ones.
That beeing said, and also regarding the 1 on 1 scenes like Oboro vs Benawi, I recon they where all well done aswell.
I have yet to see a fight scene in this anime where I have been dissapointed, even though some that past have been short.

Regarding the story now.., as we all saw, I belive this to be a "conclusion" episode, as in the conclusion of the first arc; or in other words.., the begining of the story.

Spoiler:

Finaly Inkara has been defeated and the war for the country has come to an end; thus moving now into a larger plot.

With Tusukuru's-sama death the rebellion started, and its end now came with the dedication of the country's name to her..; altough.., having started a war to overcome the rulership of a country has its consequences.., as we are seen.., news of this deed has reached other places.
Thus.., from now on as we could see.., other characters and aspects will start to get involved.

Regarding the characters now..
For Benawi :

Spoiler:

I wasn't surprised to say the least when Benawi killed the emperor, altough at the begining I would have said he would have done so for other reasons; rather then at the begining making him see that it would be best for him to take his own life as in to die with honour.

Never the less.. Inkara would rather flee then do as such.., so.., Benawi decided himself as in to store the honour to this poor-escuse for an emperor, to slay him himself.

Benawi was also about to take his own life in the end.., which I above all found it to be a geasture of extreme devotion for his ideals.
His character is beeing developed in a most interesting way.., as we saw.., he would have given his life for this un-worthy cause, just because he belived it do be the best honorable thing to do.

I wonder now, what will happen.., if he is the chosen Emperor or not.., either way it is safe to assume that he has sided with Hakuoro.

For Hakuoro :

Spoiler:

Yet another episode where we saw the great skills as a war tactician by part of Hakuoro.., thus having finaly succeeded in his goal to overthrow the Emperor and make this a just country.
I belive we also saw a bigger improvement in his fighting skills, for he stod his ground Very well vs Benawi; altough the same can be said about Oboro aswell.

Never the less.., judging by the up-comming preview of the next episodes.., I am sure that Hakuoro will not have much rest, if he has any all..; despite this war having come to an end.., much larger implications now will surely lie on his shoulders as consequence..

For Nuwangi :

Spoiler:

Well, he was never much of a fighter so.., to be said that he was captured with ease is well put.., never the less I belive he will have a larger implication on the story to come.

It was only natural that Eruruu decided to release him.., once Hakuoro saw that Eruruu was the one who knew him best thus deciding his fate in her hands, I never once belived she would kill him.

As mencioned before, Eruruu and Nuwangi where very good friend when they where young.., and despite him now having "fallen from grace" sort of speak.., I'm sure she still belives that there is good in him within.

Nuwangi also shows to us a bit of what I just said.., when he is captured.., his words are realy of someone who I belive "has lost his way", and.., even though acknologing it.., its too late to turn back.
Altough the geasture by part of Eruruu may yet change it, or so I hope.

In conclusion I enjoyed this episode very much, and I honestly can't wait for the next, specialy because.., more new characters will appear
I gaved it a 9

[Trax]

Had another look at the battle scenes, but yet again I don't quite understand why people liked them. They didn't excite me, I felt no tension whatsoever, and regularly the fighting movements looked awkward to me. And some of the CG just looked plain silly.

Fortunately I liked the character interaction. I was a bit disappointed that Nuwangi didn't simply get killed at the battle scene, and was surprised that Eruru opted to release him. And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.

Benawi's actions were understandable I guess, he made one last effort to protect the country he served and then put an end to it with his own hands once it was clear it was all over. Ofcourse Hakuoro wouldn't let him end his own life though, but I'm curious what he said to Benawi concerning living with disgrace.

Personally I'm not expecting them to appoint an emperor, but create some other kind of government. A council with a couple of special positions for people like Hakuoro perhaps. Next episode the real plot starts?

[bento-cube]

Looked like something out of Stronghold 2, haha. But I still enjoy it nonetheless, and I'm interested in seeing how they'll develop the anime from the game.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Trax

Fortunately I liked the character interaction. I was a bit disappointed that Nuwangi didn't simply get killed at the battle scene, and was surprised that Eruru opted to release him. And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.

plus she's family to Hakuro

[RunningTARGET]

Even if Nuwangi was set free, it doesnt bode well for him. Even after he was set free and had a change of heart, he's got a great deal of enemies who still want his head. Unless he goes into hidding.

Benawi being up for emperor doesn't bode well for him either. Being the once samuri learder of the previous emperor isnt quite the refference the poeple are looking for in a new leader, even if Benawi knows justice. Even so if Hakouro said benawi makes a good emperor the people would take it as so, cause Hakouro is always right! The poeple are suckers for him.

I just dont see it as to why. I dont get it. How can a solitary person who has no name, looks different like the rest of them, has no recolection of his past and weres a mask he cant take off to boot be so trust worthy? Its only been months (to my guess) since the people got to know him and his allready capable of being an emperor of a new country, people would even give their lives for him if they need to. He has charisma +20!

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

plus she's family to Hakuro

This also shows another example.

[Alu]

Originally Posted by RunningTARGET

He has charisma +20!

I belive that is quite a possibility ^^

[Furudanuki]

The emperor is dead, the rebellion has succeeded, and Hakuoru and company are in charge of the country now. The big question, of course, is can they hold on to what they have won? Judging from what the leader of the wing-people said, this is only the latest of many countries that have fallen/been overthrown. So there will surely be larger - and more competent - challenges looming on the horizon. I also found it extremely interesting to see the wing-people's leader react the way he did when he heard that the country would be named "Tusukuru". Did he actually know her somehow? Or could that name carry some other connotation that we are not yet aware of? I'm looking forward to learning the answers. I do hope that the series takes a few episodes to catch its breath and allow for some character interaction and development before starting the next action arc. That sort of information is what causes me to care about (or despise) characters in a series, and makes it all the more interesting when things happen to them later.

There were flaws and some less-than-impressive CG, but this was still another good episode in what is shaping up to be a very good series. I'm hooked.

Originally Posted by Lost

LOL. Steamed Chicken Breast banzai! Chicken Tonight banzai! bleh.

Spoiler for angel pictures:

Wing-stroke? YES YES.

Based on the two winged girls we have seen thus far, I have formed a hypothesis that they are able to fly due to lighter-than-air gas contained in two large chambers situated in the pectoral region of their bodies. I can't think of any other reason why a flying creature would have something that creates so much aerodynamic drag.

Edit - fix stupid spelling error

[Daniel E.]

Originally Posted by RunningTARGET

He has charisma +20!

Make that +40 !!

Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if all the little girls in the country were to call him "daddy" from now on.

[Lost]

Originally Posted by Trax

Had another look at the battle scenes, but yet again I don't quite understand why people liked them. They didn't excite me, I felt no tension whatsoever, and regularly the fighting movements looked awkward to me. And some of the CG just looked plain silly.

And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.

The CG did excite me because I liked the fluid movement of the soldiers as a body; hell I just can't say no to CG in an Anime. Being as Pixar-nized as I am, one does crave for 3D (or semi-3D) once in a while.

I thought the same, but there was some muttering around her; not suprising, some may have lost friends or family to him. As for their respect for her, I don't know if they notice Eruruu's closeness to (and yearning for) Hakuoro; if they do, then she's almost a queen or empress to them. But they must, since they probably hear whispered stories (maybe rumors) "she's the one that nursed our great leader back to health" - even as close as family, as Onizuka-GTO said.

Originally Posted by Furudanuki

I do hope that the series takes a few episodes to catch its breath and allow for some character interaction and development before starting the next action arc. That sort of information is what causes me to care about (or despise) characters in a series, and makes it all the more interesting when things happen to them later.

I really really want that too. I feel this has been pretty short on character interaction/development. There was some, but it seemed.. superficial at best.

Originally Posted by Furudanuki

Based on the two winged girls we have seen thus far, I have formed a hypothesis that they are able to fly due to lighter-than-air gas contained in two large chambers situated in the pectoral region of their bodies. I can't think of any other reason why a flying creature would have something that creates so much aerodynamic drag.

Large chambers eh? I got to agree. would they happen to be inflatable? Hee sorry, couldn't resist.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by RunningTARGET

Even if Nuwangi was set free, it doesnt bode well for him. Even after he was set free and had a change of heart, he's got a great deal of enemies who still want his head. Unless he goes into hidding.

Benawi being up for emperor doesn't bode well for him either. Being the once samuri learder of the previous emperor isnt quite the refference the poeple are looking for in a new leader, even if Benawi knows justice. Even so if Hakouro said benawi makes a good emperor the people would take it as so, cause Hakouro is always right! The poeple are suckers for him.

I just dont see it as to why. I dont get it. How can a solitary person who has no name, looks different like the rest of them, has no recolection of his past and weres a mask he cant take off to boot be so trust worthy? Its only been months (to my guess) since the people got to know him and his allready capable of being an emperor of a new country, people would even give their lives for him if they need to. He has charisma +20!



This also shows another example.

Quoted in its entirety for truth. I require more angst about Hakouro's forgotten past. If he were the God of Chaos or something, his clones being spread out across the land to sow rebellion and... um... chaos... that would be fine, too.

[Cyz]

so does this mean that hakouro is now the emperor or just a leader of the country?

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Lost

oic. a scene like that would feel cheesy to me ahwell.

Well, if they made it as part of a elegy to Tusukur with some flashbacks and good music, I think it would've come out very well.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Cyz

so does this mean that hakouro is now the emperor or just a leader of the country?

no. he's just an..er... an er military advisor....yeah..... >.>

[Green²]

The emperor's fortress, last hurrah, final battle. Checkmate. But man, what an ugly place to put an wood-like fortress. High ground behind, moat to the front & sides, and forest surrounding everywhere. Good battles overall though.