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Old 2004-10-08, 14:02   Link #341
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Undoubtably one can creat all types of scenarios to make this a huge hole, or nothing at all


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But let's drop it because it's so uncircumstandtial it makes my head spin.
Couldn't agree more.

The split personalities theory for the new akatsuki member is a good one, and could easily be proven true. At the very least we will get some justification for the light/dark sides of his face.

As to why he's "backing up" Itatchi, who knows, maybee he's even a match for Jiraya(since Itachi and Kisame were clearly not)......all speculation.
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Old 2004-10-08, 14:30   Link #342
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The split personalities theory for the new akatsuki member is a good one, and could easily be proven true. At the very least we will get some justification for the light/dark sides of his face.

As to why he's "backing up" Itatchi, who knows, maybee he's even a match for Jiraya(since Itachi and Kisame were clearly not)......all speculation.
If he's as powerful as Itachi/Jiraiya (who I put at about the same level, you may disagree) then Kakashi is royally screwed unless Tsunade shows up, which is semi-plausible. If the new guy is in fact after Naruto, I sure hope Kishimoto explains why he's there rather than Itachi/Kisame
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Old 2004-10-08, 15:03   Link #343
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People, u haven't even seen the plant man fight! and u're already coming up with ur own conclusions? reelaaax. Take one naruto question at a time! like what happened to the konoha genins???????
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Old 2004-10-08, 15:11   Link #344
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If he's as powerful as Itachi/Jiraiya (who I put at about the same level, you may disagree) then Kakashi is royally screwed unless Tsunade shows up, which is semi-plausible. If the new guy is in fact after Naruto, I sure hope Kishimoto explains why he's there rather than Itachi/Kisame
Akatsuki is after Naruto (as well as some other important energy resources (not oil I hope!)) which means any of the members can be seen near Naruto. If they move somehow not-dependently, it is rather normal that this guy (and his partner) does (do) not need to wait for Itachi-Kisame partnership to act. At the end, these guys are non trustable guys who can stab you from behind easily and may want to move earlier than the others to get more advantage of the situation. These guys are doing similar-to-charity work, hence, they can forget about their job at some time for personal pleasure (like hunting).

Also, if the place where Naruto and Sasuke had a fight is close to the borders, there is a nonnegligible probability that this guy was there accidentally.
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Old 2004-10-08, 15:22   Link #345
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Also, if the place where Naruto and Sasuke had a fight is close to the borders, there is a nonnegligible probability that this guy was there accidentally.
You have a very good point. We don't know what the plant guy was there for. If he wanted Naruto then why didn't he interrupt the fight between Sasuke & Naruto and take naruto?
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Old 2004-10-08, 15:31   Link #346
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Maybe he was interested in seeing kyuubi's powers. I mean, akatsuki saying:
-"kiddnap that heavily guarded boy!"
You'd want to know why. But maybe that guy had been there ever since Itachi left Naruto. he just ordered another ninja specialised in stalking or something. Normally kakashi notices these things, but this guy remained stealthy.

Anyways, him being equal/stronger than Itachi/Oro isn't very likely.
When Oro left they described it as:"But recently an important member left the organisation." if Oro was important, then itachi must be in the higher ranks, but not the highest.
This guy is eather the big fish, ot a lower member, no other way.
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Old 2004-10-08, 15:45   Link #347
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You have a very good point. We don't know what the plant guy was there for. If he wanted Naruto then why didn't he interrupt the fight between Sasuke & Naruto and take naruto?
Most probably to observe their powers, specifically Kyuubi's powers.

Maybe Itachi informed Akatsuki that they can still wait for Naruto, since he is still weak. Sasuke's running away from Konoha happened in a very short time, that Akatsuki may not have time to react the things that had happened. Even though they are after Naruto, they should have some other things to take care of, for sure.

Another thing, if the Akatsuki guy is there accidentally, he might not realize that one of the guys is Naruto. And after Naruto started using Kyuubi's powers, it is better to observe than to interrupt the fight. Because, yet they are not fully knowledged on Kyuubi's powers, hence it would be risky to jump in the middle of the fight.

But, if this guy lives and informs Akatsuki, things will become more nasty for Naruto. And Naruto will need help from a trustable partner like Sakura in the near future. Interestingly, the situation may help Sakure-Tsunade relationship to evolve.
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Old 2004-10-08, 16:09   Link #348
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The akatsuki guy wasn't there accidently, for sure. I think his task is to take naruto or follow his improvements. And the akatsuki doesn't have many things to do since Itachi said that abducting was an extreme nessicity(english?).
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Old 2004-10-08, 16:40   Link #349
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I would actually think that Akatsuki is a busy group. Arent they supposed to gather the 9 demons or something like that? As far as venus fly trap guy, ofcourse he is going to either go after naruto or kidnap him there wouldnt be any other order.

If I was the akatsuki I would have tried to take out the people protecting Naruto. If they could eliminate Kakashi they should have an easier time in the future. Seeing how Jiraiya goes missing every now and then.
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Old 2004-10-08, 17:33   Link #350
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my guess is that the new akatsuki guy is observing kyubi power and naruto's progress in using it. i also think that all of the akatsuki members have some stake in kyubi power. hence i wouldn't be suprised if more came to check out naruto's progress in using the kyubi power.

it is not possible for just one person to use complete power of kyubi hence maybe the akatsuki plans to some how slipt the power among themselves. originally there were 9 members and kyubi's nine tails. who knows.

as for if the new guy plans on abduciting naruto is still to be seen. we really don't know much about akatsuki thats why it will make a good story, besides most of the members are probably just weird looking and definetely strong ninjas.
unlike oro and his curse seal goons, we can hopefully get better story, ninja battles with high level jutsus.
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Old 2004-10-08, 19:26   Link #351
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Hey, maybe I haven't been following the manga well enough but where the hell is Jiraiya? Isn't he supposed to be watching over Naruto, making sure he doesn't get into Akatsuki's hands? I mean, fair enough, Naruto had a mission to do, to get Sasuke back and he had Shikamaru and co with them at the time. But if Itachi was to turn up when they were all together (before the Sound-nin came), he would have just simply minced them and kidnapped Naruto.
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Old 2004-10-08, 19:45   Link #352
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my guess is that the new akatsuki guy is observing kyubi power and naruto's progress in using it..
That is exactly what I think is happening also. I still say that he is nothing more than the flunkie of Akatsuki. Do you send your strongest guys to spy? Oro sent Kabuto instead of himself for certain things. And when Oro did go, he was totally hidden until he revealed who he was to Sasuke during the Exams. But alas, whe have not seen him fight so I don't know. But I think that he was there as inference to reintroducing Akatsuki. I don't think he has any real purpose (when I say purpose, I mean as to go on to show him in the next chapters) other than spying. He may pop back up once every blue moon until it's total Akatsuki time.
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Old 2004-10-08, 21:19   Link #353
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Here's what I think is the most likely explanation for things.

Akastuki just doesn't seem like it has a leader. As we all know they are an organization of super criminals and their purpose is to get stronger. They have been gathering jutsus. I think they don't have a leader because they are all really strong so why would they submit themselves to one person. They must be a loose aliance of people dedicated to getting stronger. This would help explain why they split into teams of two, cause then while they are gathering jutsus no one of them could keep things for themselves and overpower the others. And Orochimaru has no interest in sharing anything he gains so it would also make sense that that's why he left.

I'm sure hoping for a lone Sasuke, that would be pretty cool. Right now though there's no way to tell if he's going to Oro or not. The new Akatsuki guy was doing the evil speak (the flaming writing) to himself so it seems really likely that he is kinda split personality thing.

I don't see a conflict coming with him right now. Most likely they are just foreshadowing. They are probably going to go over a recovery sort of thing (what happened to the guys that fell in fighting earlier and planning what to do now that Sasuke is gone).

I sure hope Choji is ok, he was pretty bad ass at the end of his fight.
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Old 2004-10-08, 21:19   Link #354
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The manga never mentioned anything about other demons besides Kyuubi, let alone that Akatsuki wants to gather them. All we know is, that they are after Naruto... we don't even know what they are planning to do with him.
Who knows, maybe they are a bunch of philanthropists and just want to get rid of all those fighting in the world.

LOL Akatsuki keeping the peace! Spread the love.

I could have sworn I heard or saw something like gathering the nine demons. Its hard to keep the facts straight with manga, anime and the many threads and forums that I peruse through in the day.
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Old 2004-10-08, 21:35   Link #355
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The nine demons thingy was said by Kishimoto in an interview but it's not stated in the manga.

It was said in the manga by Jiraiya that the Akatsuki seek jutsus and powerful stuffs, and that they could possibly seek the Kyubi.
And Jiraiya confirmed this after the little encounter with Itachi.
That's all.
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Old 2004-10-08, 21:51   Link #356
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The nine demons thingy was said by Kishimoto in an interview but it's not stated in the manga.

It was said in the manga by Jiraiya that the Akatsuki seek jutsus and powerful stuffs, and that they could possibly seek the Kyubi.
And Jiraiya confirmed this after the little encounter with Itachi.
That's all.
Thank you. I knew that you would come in and clean up the mess. Thanks for the knowledge I knew I wasnt crazy.
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Old 2004-10-08, 23:09   Link #357
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Hey, maybe I haven't been following the manga well enough but where the hell is Jiraiya? Isn't he supposed to be watching over Naruto, making sure he doesn't get into Akatsuki's hands? I mean, fair enough, Naruto had a mission to do, to get Sasuke back and he had Shikamaru and co with them at the time. But if Itachi was to turn up when they were all together (before the Sound-nin came), he would have just simply minced them and kidnapped Naruto.
Ya for once i totally agree with you
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Old 2004-10-09, 00:45   Link #358
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Since sasuke was not in the area when Kakashi arived at the scene, that means Naruto was laying in the open, unconcious for a while. Since it seems the new akatsuki member was watching the fight, or a least the end of it, why wouldn't he just grab an unconcious naruto and leave, all stealthy like??
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Old 2004-10-09, 04:49   Link #359
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Good question.

He could just be spying and reporting to someone else. Itachi was clearly the leader of his two man team, so maybe this guy is the underdog in his own team, and won't act unless his stronger team mate tells him to.

Kind of a weak guess I suppose.

Or maybe he got to the scene right when Kakashi got there, and he settled down to watch. Kakashi is a pretty strong Jounin, and well known, so maybe he didn't want to mess with him and stayed hidden until they left.
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Old 2004-10-09, 08:39   Link #360
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Good question.

He could just be spying and reporting to someone else. Itachi was clearly the leader of his two man team, so maybe this guy is the underdog in his own team, and won't act unless his stronger team mate tells him to.

Kind of a weak guess I suppose.

Or maybe he got to the scene right when Kakashi got there, and he settled down to watch. Kakashi is a pretty strong Jounin, and well known, so maybe he didn't want to mess with him and stayed hidden until they left.
When the Akatsuki guy says that this has been interesting, he implies that he has been watching for a while. So he most likely got there before kakashi did and was watching the fight. I also don't think that an S-class Akatsuki member would be afraid of Kakashi, just because Kisame wanted to take on Kakashi himself and he was the lower class ninja of the group, supposedly. So even if this ninja is the weaker one of the two, he probably is an arrogant guy who wouldn't hesistate in engaging Kakashi.
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