2013-03-27, 19:51 | Link #1521 |
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No, it is not. The plot of the anime has virtually nothing to do with the plot of the novels besides one small chapter. Not to mention how they added characters, changed dynamics, and reworked already existing characters, plus disregarding an entire volume completely.
Chuunibyou is, for all intents and purposes, an original series. I wonder why so many people find it differently then. I mean, the "otaku" you refer to in the post declared that this show "is not an otaku show". Your assesment of the show looks like it's coming from someone who only watched it to confirm a previous bias, because the elements you decide to highlight don't coincide with what the show was highlighting at all. The show never falls into "cuteness factor" as you put it. At any rate, you could say it failed to evoke emotion and structure itself properly (I don't actually think that, but it's a respectable position), but claiming that the series ran away from doing it to hide in tried and true tropes and character designs strikes me as very obtuse. Tamako Market as a slice of life was pretty unconventional, but it had a distinct sense of pacing and dynamic that's far from being "safe and generic". May not be everyone's cup of tea (I certainly preferred Hyouka and K-On! over it), but I don't see how your criticisms are grounded in the actual text. |
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This isn't viral marketing as saying "you'll be seeing more" without a set time line for use to see more. Said type of marketing always occurs for NEARLY EVERY SINGLE SHOW! How many threads start in the "upcoming anime" forum which have one page scans going "Anime confirmed!" and that's it? They can't give out any more information than this because there's no new news to give out! Again, just because one show had some viral marketing strategies does not mean that every single show is going to have those. Quote:
Warm Mist does a better job than I could do at the moment regarding the horrible use of "moe" in this thread, so I'll recommend reading their post.
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2013-03-27, 21:56 | Link #1524 |
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A new Chuuni? It looks like Kyoto Animation is hungry for money. Maybe Tamako Market's flub hurt them more than expected, and they're not reaping the rewards of K-ON mega-yen after all. Hopefully, they've learned their lesson about awful OPs for the new show.
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2013-03-28, 01:22 | Link #1525 | |
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As for Tamako Market, the whole debacle arose because "fans" of the series are trying to justify its [relative] poor sales because it wasn't aimed at otaku. What I'm saying is that notion is a big load of bull. Aside from the fact, there's "kawaii" written all over the show, if you are talking about latenight anime, then that's aimed at otaku. Yes, even something as good as Psycho Pass or Shin Sekai Yori is aimed at otaku. My beef with Tamako Market isn't the fact it was otaku centric or not, it was at best mildly amusing and charming, but most of the time flat out boring (and some of the time annoying due to Dera, who started off comedy gold but then got old pretty fast). There is no "wowing visuals" or "sharp dialogue and characterisation" like in Hyouka, nor is it straight out funny like Minamk-ke nor is it genuinely hearwarming and bittersweet like Tari Tari. I like the OP, I like Tamako's upbeat attitude at times, I liked Dera at the start and I really liked the episode that dealt with Tamako's dad (if only other episodes were character focused as this and good). However, that's about it. That is insufficient to classify the series as great as there is LACK of substance. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2013-03-28 at 01:32. |
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But really, it just re-inforces my point regarding the second half if it was indeed anime original. It was forced drama/romance everywhere and not pleasant to watch. Though the ending was pretty decent. |
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2013-03-28, 03:29 | Link #1530 |
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what do you want from chuuni? chuunibyou alternative? instead the current "world" kyoani make a reboot that make all rikka imagination as real just like depth of field...(even though it would be interesting, true dark flame master, robot battle, post apocalyptic other world setting)
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You do make a good point about how we don't often hear about rebroadcasts at all because the news normally get filtered out for us. I never realised they were as common as you make it out to be since productions committees usually fork out money for time slots and I'd assume they'd rather use it for newer material instead. Quote:
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2013-03-28, 05:33 | Link #1532 |
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Tamako Market was KyoAni's attempt to thread the needle, and sow together two distinct markets for a big success. Those markets being the core customer-base for late-night anime shows, and general audiences.
This was likely the brainchild of KyoAni recognizing that K-On! had developed similar cross-over appeal. "Look at what K-On! did!" a member of the KyoAni focus group said, "Now imagine what we could accomplish if we actually tried to get two major markets in one shot?" So you have Tamako Market - A family friendly show where three of the four main high school girls bear a striking resemblance to Yui Hirasawa, Ritsu, and Azusa, while the other one is the spitting image of Eru Chitanda. In theory, it was a nice idea. But the risk in trying to capture two major markets in one shot is that sometimes your attempts come off as half-assed to each major market, leaving you appealing to neither. And I think this is what happened here. If I wanted moe, it was more consistent and prominent in Love Live! and VRO than it was in Tamako Market. And lo and behold, Love Live! is selling great right now. Now, as for Chuuni Season 2 - Well, first of all, I don't think we should necessarily consider this a response to poor Tamako Market sales. KyoAni has probably been working on Chuuni Season 2 for quite some time already. Chuuni Season 2 wouldn't be my first for the next KyoAni show - I think people who know me well know what my first choice would be - But nonetheless, it'll be interesting to see where they go forward with the Chuuni narrative given that I found it's ending rather neat and tidy without it being clear where they could go next with it.
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Why yes, 2 episodes equals half of a show. It's an LN adaptation in name alone. BTW, it's episodes 1 and 5 with Isshiki's notebook in episode 6 (and that alone) which come from the novel. The scenes in question are also changed, so it's even less than 2 episodes. In short, it's vastly different from the novel and you saying you're "half wrong" is hilariously incorrect.
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I agree that Tamako was designed to appeal to the crowd that liked K-On! but not in those terms. Remember, it's not KyoAni making these decisions. Pony Canyon decided to back this show's music rather than letting Lantis handle it like in Chuunibyou. I wouldn't put the family-friendly concept any further than what happened with K-On!. In a sense, it was successful by entertaining people, but it doesn't inspire you to buy discs. The other issue people are having is "why Chuunibyou and why not Haruhi/Lucky Star/Full Metal Panic/K-On!/Hyouka?!" First, four of those shows are produced by the Kadokawa/KyoAni production committee (Kadokawa Shouten/Kadokawa Pictures (for most/not all)/Kyoto Animation/Clockworks/Lantis), and so wouldn't be announced via a CM during the KyoAni/Pony Canyon timeslot. We don't know what show is coming next from Kadokawa or if one will be coming since those are announced via Kadokawa's publications (with the exception of Hyouka). There was never any chance of one of those shows being announced now. Secondly, the two latest KyoAni shows were a risk for the company. Not in the terms that people want to say "risk" by animating a completely different genre, but a big financial risk. Instead of being relegated to third or lower in the production committee, KyoAni invested funds into Chuunibyou and Tamako and got a huge return for for former. This is their own brand meaning they earned much more profits for that than anything they could animate from Kadokawa. As a business, it only makes sense to continue something that's really profitable for you more than other possible shows. At the same time, you also need to do adaptations in case of an original flopping (Hyouka). As a fan, I'd love for them to do more Haruhi, but I realize first and foremost that this is a business and you need to have income to continue making shows first.
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2013-03-28, 06:10 | Link #1534 |
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godamnit. More chuu2?
Like Pocari Sweat mentioned, Chuu2 fell off the map during its second half the series, forced drama and bad romance ruined the show. Chuu2 was excellent as a comedy series - it had a lot of potential with its supporting cast with Nibutani and Touka, and they kind of toss out the entire cast comedy chemistry for a really lack-luster romance plot. How the hell are they going to make a S2? Rikka is far from the chuuni she was in the beginning of the series now, and I doubt Yuuta is going to go back to his dark flame master ways as well. gawdamnit KyoAni, chuu2 was the announcement I didn't want to hear. Hyouka, Haruhi, K-on, LS...
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2013-03-28, 06:22 | Link #1535 | |
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2013-03-28, 06:45 | Link #1536 | |
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2013-03-28, 07:25 | Link #1537 | |
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And I don't even know why you're so persistent on this "chunnibyou adaptation point", when most of my argument has been about Tamako Market. Point is, even amongst "fans" of the genre it was pretty mixed. Sales are relatively poor, it has a pretty damn low rating for a Kyoani show of around 7.5 and 7.2 out of 10 on MAL and ANN respectively and is pretty mixed here on Animesuki too. That's not to quote someone letting my "bias" get in the way. It's definitely not the worst show of the season, but it's definitely not the best nor does it fall under anything more than "decent". Want a good example of a well done slice of life series done this season - Minami-ke Tadaima. Want a good example of something that Kyoani has done excellently in recent times - Hyouka. Moral of the story, it's another wakeup call for Kyoani. |
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2013-03-28, 07:29 | Link #1538 |
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I could in a way agree with Chuunibyou having a non satisfactory drama but bad romance? I think that's the other aspect this show that was done quite well.
Oh well... "Opinions" Also... I really hope whoever thought up of the description "forced drama" would go to hell. It's really a terrible word and used in such a terrible way like the word "moe" is being used in the anime community. It really reeks of /a/ trolling bullshit. I don't mean to step into both your arguments but please do not bring in international fanbase = japan fanbase. They're not the same. Hence why I find that bringing up ANN/MAL/Animesuki there is next to pointless otherwise if both were of the same preferences then we'd be seeing people agree with K-ON's sales even more. Just saying.
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