2009-05-10, 01:32 | Link #2023 |
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Hopefully someone can help me understand this...
I just bought the first novel (in English) and I find that the idiom used is almost always identical to the fansubs from three years ago*. As in, the places where the translator has to take a few liberties to convey the style. ("The tight-lipped wonder had finally opened her mouth, and out came this winding freakish spiel.")While I like the phrasing, I'm confused as to how that comes about. It's not like you can copyright fansubs, but it seems odd that an official translator would use them as the source - unless they figured that that version is what the readers already know and why change what's not broken? Anyone know the story here? *"Three years ago" again?? There was also one choice of wording that could be an in-joke to the community abroad: "Haruhi Suzumiya continues to transmit intermittent torrents of data at completely random intervals." Tell us about it. |
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2009-05-10, 01:46 | Link #2026 | |
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Is that the original image though?
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Also, I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that Strato was involved in the translation of the English novel, and since the B-T translations were originally based off of his a.f.k. subs... yeah. |
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2009-05-10, 02:51 | Link #2028 |
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Interesting, I didn't know the category name, but that picture has always uneasily reminded me of a WWII German outfit. Wikipedia says "The Gakuran is derived from Prussian army uniforms" which matches my intuition. I especially grimace when she's wearing the red and black armband over it. Do they not get the allusion, or is it hideously intentional?
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2009-05-10, 03:17 | Link #2029 |
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It is a sort of standard attire it seems.
But then Prussian based uniforms pre-date World War II by a considerable number of years. If the influence is what I'm thinking of, we are talking 1870s or so, nearly 70 years before that war.
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2009-05-10, 03:28 | Link #2030 | |
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Until you add the red armband (from the anime opening), at which point it becomes an SS uniform. (2nd and 3rd images on the right)
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2009-05-10, 03:56 | Link #2031 |
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Not really. It's a black longcoat with a red armband. Somewhat similar, if you reduce it down to absolute basics, but in no way the same. If the Brigade Chief armband had a white circle on it, now then you might have a case...
It's meant to look more like this in any case. |
2009-05-10, 04:00 | Link #2032 |
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The red armband is also standard. I believe it is used to note the leader of a group.
And by Prussian influence I mean the time period when Prussia was advising the Japanese during the 19th century. This turns out to be the case since this design goes back to the late 19th century and early 20th century (with the sailor suits the girls wear being based on British Naval uniforms from the same time period, since the Japanese Navy was trained by the British and the Army by the Prussians/Germans well before the First World War). Therefore any association with 1930s and 1940s Germany and modern male Japanese school uniforms is purely coincidence because both would be based on the same older uniform designs from the late 1800s.
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2009-05-10, 04:16 | Link #2033 | |
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thanks both of you for the comments, I'm glad it's not as flagrant a reference as I feared, though let's say it's not a style I'd choose to wear with the excuse that similiarities aside it's just an old Japanese-German-style uniform from before that had any bad significance. |
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2009-05-10, 06:23 | Link #2035 |
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Real uniforms look fairly similar...
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Maybe it's a cultural difference, or maybe you're just seeing things you want to see. And who continually thinks 'do I look like I'm part of the Schutzstaffel', anyway? And as to your further comment; this is a norm. Real cheerleading squads like this do exist, and yes, they have red armbands. And as for the Hitler comment... what was it Mel Brooks said? A Hitler moustache nowadays would be considered funny, not frightening... |
2009-05-10, 11:42 | Link #2036 | |
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The moustache funny? Sure, but in a laugh-at, not laugh-with way. You mean you don't check your appearance in a mirror every morning against a checklist of evil organizations you don't want to accidentally represent? Slacker. Hmm, I think I'm all clear today. Spoiler for current self-photo:
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2009-05-10, 13:02 | Link #2037 |
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Style wise I think the Japanese have been using both these male and female military styled uniforms for a very long time. The male uniforms I believe started in the later 19th century while the female uniforms where changed in the 1920s.
Tradition is a hard things to stop. And while some schools have changed (as seen in Haruhi even since the males are wearing suits and ties at North High and the females sailor uniforms, but at the other school the males are wearing the traditional western military uniforms with the females wearing a more business suit style) the process is slow since the idea of everyone being uniform remains a constant.
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2009-05-10, 14:19 | Link #2039 | |
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Amusingly, the real North High uses gakuran for the boys and business suits for the girls... |
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