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Of course, all it takes for the MiG to survive is a hard turn (even then it is debatable). RoE has been the biggest enemy to employing BVR missiles (that was the same thing that stopped Tomcats from employing the Phoenix the way they intended, if ever...then again, even if they did, they miss). Last point? It happens all the time (the 'Russian weapons of that time were and maybe still be markedly inferior' part). During the Yom Kippur War, heat-seekers have started to show their mettle (based on what the Shafrir 2s did to the adversaries...I could not imagine what a Python does). Gun loads: Seems that you are right on that part, but then again, F-15E is a mud-mover compared to its air-to-air brothers. And yes, the Brits almost deleted the gun out of the Typhoon. And they would be made the jokers again. And also, the Tomcat never really went into air-to-air combat in the Gulf War (that was when plans to give it some serious mud-moving capabilities were given the green light). Their last air-to-air kill was against a helicopter with a Sidewinder, then again, an F-15E manged to take down a flying helicopter with a laser-guided bomb. And by that they were using -M versions of the Sparrows, which is like a different animal compared to their -E brothers. And EVEN THEN AGAIN, the States are too busy testing the AMRAAM (and I find it ironic that the Tomcat was tested with it, but not issued to it in general). I think we should go back to topic on creating characters etc. The problem I have is which way I should go for one of the major supporting characters (because the main characters would always be the Witches, right?), which is: 1. A pilot (more like Naval Aviator) plus a RIO in the Liberion Navy. The problem with such an implementation is that they would be pretty much stuck with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, except if we have an in-story reason to bring back F-14D Super Tomcats into active duty (even at the end of the fic the JSF would not be ready for duty). The Super Tomcats would also serve as the typical 'mid-series upgrade'. 2. The same combo (except that it is pilot + WSO) in the Liberion Air Force, flying the F-15E Strike Eagle. The problem is that for most of the fic, they would pretty much be using the same thing (don't ask me to put them into the F-22), and it doesn't offer any real challenge...unless, we can be daring enough to implement some of the lessons learned from the F-15 ACTIVE program, including throwing in the thrust vectoring capability (the canards would not make their appearance though) as a major upgrade, basically they fly the same thing but continuously upgraded to no end. And no, they would not fly superplanes (ala Ace Combat), although rivals on the same side might. Last edited by kct; 2008-10-05 at 20:43. |
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The others know that I have no sense for scale in real weapons, having been used to running around in 17m humanoid machines to whom the G-8 is a hand-held weapon. Please bear with me some more.
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The drum, belt and the missile launcher system are mounted on a brace on the waist and outside of the fuselage. In my thinking, this allows the Wizard to return to ship, become mounted onto a scaffold and hot-swap them before launching again, the process taking about 10s unless in need of refueling or correcting faults? Thankfully. Quote:
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But one will be going to give him trouble rather soon. Exactly.
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2008-10-05, 23:17 | Link #23 |
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If you're adding hardpoints and unit-supported weaponry, that's hardly an infantryman in the Strike Witches universe any more. It might be a mecha musume design, but not really an SW one.
As for 900 rounds, that's still way more than is typical for a WW2 or even modern fighter, and an insane amount for an infantryman carrying a 30 mm GAU-8. Note that the weaponry in SW follows the same caliber and actual bullet as the real gun... they don't fire mini-sized bullets. Usually the only concession is a shorter barrel, and simpler loading mechanisms for infantry (magazine and/or bolt-action, instead of belt-fed). A GAU-8 30 mm round weighs about 0.7 kg each, so you're talking some 630 kg of ammo, not even including the gun or feed system. For comparison, the fighters carry about 60-70 kg in total, while slow divebombers carry a single 125 kg bomb, or a 37 mm cannon (originally 295 kg, but modified to bolt-action). Also, despite what the anime might show, most fights with the Neuroi are not one Neuroi vs many, but more on the other end of the spectrum. The Witches are generally outnumbered, but the Neuroi have more wasteful tactics, since they don't really care about loss of 'life'. A typical air engagement in the novel might have the Suomus 1st Squadron and the Indepedent Volunteer Squadron (~12+5), going up against a formation of maybe 40-60 or more Rallos fighters, plus some medium and heavy bombers. Four rockets might not cut it.
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2008-10-06, 00:11 | Link #25 |
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Kha....
GIVE. IT. UP. Don't make me sic her on you, with her chainwhip.... the perfect thing for chastising straying Clerics intent on assembling harems in contradiction to the will of their Canonesses >:3
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2008-10-06, 02:04 | Link #28 |
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It's an anime, of course.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59866 Check out the last pages and you'll see how the thread you see here came to be.
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2008-10-06, 02:21 | Link #31 |
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Whatever I could say would merely be guessing on my behalf. A Strike Witches project using the rules of the Nanoha universe as a base, perhaps?
I remember seeing a military discussion thread in the Nanoha section once, but can't say how much that thread relates to the one here. Best to let those in the know answer this one for you Rick.
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2008-10-06, 02:28 | Link #33 |
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This thread is in a sense the Nanoha OCT, copied into Strike Witches form. Whoever wrote the first page did a copy-and-paste from one of the Nanoha threads and forgot to format it properly.
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Anyway, the Strike Witches take up a different role compared to normal aircraft in the 'verse. In book 3, the Independent Volunteer Squadron goes on a SEAD mission prior to a tactical bombing run, while 1st Squadron provides air cover for the actual bomber. Witches simply can't carry anywhere near the load of an actual bomber plane... they're just girls, not mechs. Sure, they can carry some heavier weaponry, but not that heavy. IMHO giving them hardpoints for missiles and heavy weapon support braces makes it more like Sky Girls, or real mecha, not Strike Witches. Actually, the main setting designer works on most of the material (all 3 novels, side novel, doujinshi, anime, don't know if he has a hand in either manga though), and there are actually fairly few places that don't match up or couldn't be explained easily enough. There are probably some honest mistakes, like the map in the doujinshi, and some of the older material has gotten outdated or replaced, but considering it all happens in different years (during which there were big technological advances even in the real world), some things like the Neuroi beam weaponry could be chalked up to new technology. Maybe.
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That is the reason the main supporting guys for the girls in my fic would be flying actual mud-movers (hence the use of a Strike Eagle or a Super Tomcat), rather than strain the girls with something they can't do (although they can do things like tagging targets with lasers and the like, and send a Paveway into the @$$ of the target).
Of course, SEAD guys likes to put things in HARM's way. However, here are some entries I've made for the specifications of the planes the characters might use or encounter (most of them are still drafts). I'm using the MAHQ-style formatting for them, for now. Some of their specs are fictional at best. Spoiler for Northrop-Grumman F-14D Super Tomcat of the Liberion Navy, post reactivation:
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The POV I'm doing for the first "season" is will be a side-story to the anime, so the bullets still work, the stuff that has been learnt hasn't been learnt yet and it allows me to start at a lower level to build up in future seasons. This means using stuff that no longer works when they still work, then as the Neuroi catch up, alter stuff as they go along. Hence why the persistence on using a minigun.
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I don't know, whatever it is I would give a run up as to what happened after 1945 (which would closely mirror real-life events, such as Britannia stopped being a major force in occupation of other nations and the like, the Fuso Empire's military turned into a self-defense force, and many more...might even cover the split of Karlsland...of course, by the time the fic started, they are already reunited).
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