2013-05-05, 00:20 | Link #6981 |
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I would argue that he is equally good in both Aegis and Justice. It’s just, during his piloting Aegis, Athrun was hindered by his feelings when fighting Kira (until he killed Nicol), while during his piloting Justice, he has no personal attachment to his druggists opponents and EA in general.
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Sting even had to yell at Athrun for running away and yet here he is being aggressive and actually chasing Kira. Quote:
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2013-05-05, 01:03 | Link #6986 |
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Keep in mind Justice and IJ are much more powerful than most mobile suits. As is the Freedom's. In fact if you're wondering why Kira was able to break his guard so easily once he decided Athrun had to go down, that's likely why. Even though it was older, Freedom was still far superior to even the 2nd stage Zaft Gundams. That's also why Kira is able to easily trash Sting that one time. He's right behind him before Sting's even finished turning around and slices him up.
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2013-05-05, 01:36 | Link #6987 | ||
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In fact, rewatching the scene between the Freedom and the Saviour, here's what I see: 1. The Saviour blocked the Freedom's beam saber with its shield. 2. The Saviour pushed the Freedom's right arm with its shield and took an upward swing with its own beam saber on its right arm. 3. The Freedom ducked under the Saviour's swing and took its own upward swing with its second beam saber on the Saviour's right arm while it was still at the end of its swing arc. Quote:
In fact, there's no reason why the Saviour couldn't do the same thing if Athrun hadn't just used it to run around but actually get close just as he ended up doing against the Freedom. |
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2013-05-05, 01:42 | Link #6988 |
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Freedom is faster than both. It's stated at least once that Freedom is the strongest and fastest MS prior to the Destiny and Legend being rolled out, and is reflected in the official tech specs. Kira beat Athrun because Freedom was faster on the reaction time as seen when he ducks and pulls out the second saber, and Freedom was able to get the drop on Chaos faster than Savior seemingly could. Sting always kept his distance as well, so Athrun could never get into melee range so quickly as Freedom could.
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And once again, while Athrun made no move against Sting, Kira got in close and actually tried to and succeeded in doing something about the Chaos. |
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2013-05-05, 02:21 | Link #6990 |
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Actually for all Sting's taunts, he never tried to go for Athrun with his sabers either, and in fact he ran away from Athrun at least once. All of their fights were both of them keeping their distance and dogfighting with beam rifles (and at least one Athrun was actually aggressively raining rifle and cannon blasts that he could barely dodge) The time Sting was yelling at him not to run away was when he was chasing Athrun with two Murasames's as back up. Running away is actually advisable in the position, expecially since Athrun was refusing to killshot Murasame's.
He never tried to get the drop on him like Kira did, but again, Freedom is quickly on the fly than Savior so Athrun might not have wanted to risk it. |
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In fact, all Athrun really did against the Chaos was take a couple of shots and run away and repeat. Quote:
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2013-05-05, 05:04 | Link #6992 | ||
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btw, he did set off Minerva's sensor, but he was just too fast. I'm guessing battleships have much better sensors despite the lack of a NJC.
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Beside, even if it could extend its range of effect beyond the mobile suit, I don't see how it would improve the sensor/attack range for the mobile suit without doing the same thing to anyone else within its range. Quote:
Ah, were you talking about phase 42? Yeah, that's a weird exception in contrast to the previous incidents, unless it's because the Strike Freedom and the Infinite Justice together just stick out on anybody's sensor. |
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Or are you asking why they didn't immediately identify it as the Freedom?
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But in phase 34 of SEED and phase 22/23 and 28 of Destiny, the Freedom was able to be in attack range without anyone knowing it's there. Now that I think about it, the Justice was even more impressive as it actually got right in between people battling in SEED without anyone noticing. |
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2013-05-05, 06:22 | Link #6998 | |
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... I swear something was going off at somepoint. plz don't make me go watch Destiny again..
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As for your other points, I guess we can make sense of it if we try a little harder, but I don't want to defend all of Fukuda's bulls*it.. I don't know who wrote all the technical stuff in Seed and Destiny, but it sure as hell ain't him.
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2013-05-05, 06:38 | Link #6999 |
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That or those people from EA/EF, Orb and Archangel just too busy fighting each other they forgot to look at their radars or other detection tools. Thus, Justice can just tip-toeing through their defenses and, voila! It’s your usual “Las Vegas magic”
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Seeing as how the sensors don't necessarily identify anything beyond their presence depending on their distance, the Freedom/Justice could be initially mistaken as just another combatant who's too far away to worry about until it suddenly swoops in on you. With the Strike Freedom/Infinite Justice entrance, the Minerva wasn't in the front lines at the time and they were specifically watching out for aerial attacks, so I guess it wouldn't be unusual then for that officer to notice an object coming from space. |
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