2009-01-26, 19:35 | Link #41 |
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The idea of social classes serving important purposes is nonsense. Xenophobic nonsense. You don't teach people in those classes, you belittle them and make them feel like inferior barbarians.
Moreover, cultures are not static, they are ever changing. The myths of a static culture surviving hundreds of years without any major changes is ridiculous. Even supposedly insular societies like Tokugawa Japan are virtually indistinguishable by the time their eras came to an end compared to when they started out. What is wrong with immigrants bringing new ideals into a culture? Each ideal should be considered on its own merits, not because foreign is bad and native is always good. Culture shock is unavoidable. Few first generation immigrants, if they're not relatively young (like I was when I immigrated to the USA), can truly adapt into a society; hope should be placed in the second generation and more*. The best a government can -- and should -- do is cushion through the process, and make sure societies-within-a-society get to interact, exchange, dilute each other; or as they say, "melting pot." Japan is xenophobic, that's simple enough to see. It's a little sad to see the government struggles through such ridiculous "measures" trying to avoid the obvious, though. Mind, I don't presume to know everything but I think the younger generation might be far more open than their predecessors. Each generation adopts its own codes and values and stereotypes, whether passed on from past generations, acculturated from other cultures, or from experimentation. On the other hand, I don't mind classes teaching key aspects of the country's laws and government. The equivalent of the US education system's high school "government" class, practically. Given the modern bureaucratic states, that's actually pretty helpful especially for immigrants from countries with drastically different legal traditions. *The epic failure of European integration of its colonial and post-colonial immigrants is noted by how many third and fourth generation "immigrants" are still not integrated. It wasn't the first generation-ers that rioted in Paris a few years ago, it was people born and spent their whole lives in the damn country. Quite frankly, by any legal definition not mired in racism and xenophobia, they're as much citizens as anybody else. |
2009-01-26, 19:42 | Link #42 | |
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I just emailed the article to one of my friends in Japan and her reply was "Who has time for kids." WOW
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2009-01-26, 20:52 | Link #43 | |
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As for immigrants who cannot integrate, they should leave really. Why stay when they find the culture so hard to accept? I just hope the locals realize that not everyone is like that. What are their immigration controls in detail BTW? |
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2009-01-26, 21:53 | Link #44 |
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What's interesting is that despite the Japanese knowing that it'll be the kids that one day take care of their parents, the parents then DON'T have kids. It's like spending all your $ and having nothing for retirement--considering the KIDS are the Japanese social security.
As for failed integration and such: America is a melting pot. It's got bits and pieces of every culture that got mixed in together. That said, WASPs are the #1 group around. However, the fact that people preserve bits and pieces of their culture despite being assimilated in ways makes for an interesting life in that there are Russian restaurants, Chinese, Japanese, you name it, you can find it in America. As for Europe's "integration issues"...those..."people"...in question, it seems to me, do not integrate very well anywhere. They want everyone to accommodate them and call anyone that criticizes them racist (despite the fact that they've done everything they could to earn that criticism), and then have the media and the justice system condemn their critics for "hate speech" (even though that's the black hole calling the kettle black). So no, it's absolutely not Europe, unless you're talking about the loss of their spine from the time of the Romans and the Spartans to do away with troublemakers in short order. |
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2009-01-26, 22:55 | Link #46 | |
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Considering the current financial crisis which had started quite awhile back, every typical family does need a certain amount of money in order to survive. This also implies that both the husband and the wife should each get a job and work hard. In the Western society, it is traditionally believed that the men are the breadwinners, while the women are the caregivers. However, this may or may not be true anymore in the States. The fact is that if both the husband and the wife is pursuing their careers, who will be responsible for the well-being of the child? In turn, this leads to the question as to whether it is ideal to have a child or not. It is impossible to take care and raise a child while pursuing your own career. More over, is there a reason to have a child out of the blue? However, the final decision usually lies with the women in most cases. I also do realize that in undeveloped countries, such as the most nations in the continent of Africa views marriage and child-birth fairly differently. Due to the poor medical facilities and also the lack of foods, as well as clean water and clean air; many children tend to die at an early age and that most families tend to consider the idea of having more children as more chances of survival. On the contrary, this doesn't apply to every nation in Africa because South African nations (ones that are formerly colonized by Britain and France) tend to be quite developed and wealthy and so, these issues are almost non-existent. |
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2009-01-26, 23:09 | Link #47 | |
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I'd also be interested in what separates Mersailles from other French cities, since IIRC it has one of the largest Arab populations in France yet didn't experience any riots in 2005. |
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2009-01-27, 00:07 | Link #48 |
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This move by the government is good.
Japan is overpopulated, its cultural rules are very rigid, and the people don't want foreigners coming in anyway. Saying that they should open up their nation when they don't want to is stupid. Why does every single country have to give up its culture just to "modernize?" Japan has a very unique situation and it would suck to see it ruined just so they can keep their population the same. Also, I doubt that many people would want to emigrate from China or Korea anyway. I realize that Japan has a population issue here. But that's their own fault for not caring about having children, which is a result of their own stupidity. There will be problems as the people age, but only then will people learn to correct themselves. |
2009-01-27, 01:15 | Link #49 |
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If this continues and the Japanese population becomes non-existant, there will be no more anime.
edit: found this article on the pricing of education in Japan http://www.dannychoo.com/adp/eng/165....html#comments Could it be that the affordability of the education for the kids is a factor in deciding to have kids? You need to pay to educate your children in public schools according to the article, while here in the US, public schools are free Last edited by onehp; 2009-01-27 at 01:32. |
2009-01-27, 01:58 | Link #50 | ||
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There is also no way to "reform" pensions into an efficient system. Sooner or later the population flip will occur worldwide. Barring a complete flip, it will level out. Exponential curves irl cannot stay exponential forever. Pensions are ponzi schemes. What else is a system where old investors are paid by the contribution of new investors? It is all built on the belief that tomorrow will be bigger than today. I'm not smart enough to thoroughly think out a "fix" without a complete overhaul to the current system, but the problem is not something that will ever be solved by any sort of reform as long as it is based around the premise of inflation. Actually even if somehow our population could grow exponentially forever, inflation is still not something that is always present even in a perfect world and this problem will be revisited every single time the trend is broken except they wouldn't be able to blame birth rates. I wish they'd stop looking in this direction for a solution. I don't think pensions are necessarily a bad thing, but at the end of the day economics doesn't work this way. |
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2009-01-27, 02:14 | Link #52 | |
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Which equals: 880/year, since schools operate for only 10 months in Singapore. '
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2009-01-27, 02:16 | Link #54 | |
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Woah buddy, don't flame me. It was an old report by Aunty Beeb, so direct your criticisms to her instead.
And there can be such things as a savings glut, especially when interest rates are effectively zero, as they are in Japan. If it weren't for a decade of deflation, all those savings would have been depreciating in value over the years. So, ironically, the more the Japanese saved, the poorer they got in real terms. There is another misunderstanding that should also be addressed: Quote:
Japan does this partly because it feels a need to be self-sufficient in food, and partly because it wants to preserve rural culture and communities. In effect, it is propping up an inefficient economic sector against foreign competition, which could help to reduce food prices. Japanese consumers end up being the ultimate loser in this scenario. To be fair, however, a substantial sum of those subsidies are funnelled into agricultural research, such as the development of high-quality rice grains that produce higher yields. |
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2009-01-27, 02:19 | Link #56 | |
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And, what's the cost of education in Singapore, last I heard, it was SGD 13/mth, and SGD 250/mth for independent/private schools [not incl. books]... how's it now?
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2009-01-27, 02:24 | Link #57 | |
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2009-01-27, 02:57 | Link #58 |
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I think its a strategic necessity to be self-sufficient in food production. Sure, get your bananas from the tropics and what not but food that grows well in the country should be. "Buy local" has a lot of compelling reasons associated with it.
But... the topic is population dives in Japan and the band-aids the government is trying rather than real systemic changes in the way corporations, employees, and life in Japan works. Social attitudes will have adjust. Retirement ages will have to rise to mitigate the retirement system issues ... besides if you're healthy why not keep working?
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2009-01-27, 04:12 | Link #59 |
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To keep on topic, what else I have noticed... hmmm, yes, it's an irony for me that a country having a low birth rate problem also has one of the most outrageous (underground) sex-oriented industries and videos east of Amsterdam (and Bangkok to add).
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2009-01-27, 04:12 | Link #60 | ||
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Japan should make more date shows if people have trouble finding a lover rofl or make a law to ban all anti conception ha ha ha Quote:
the sex shops etc are not owned by Asians at all rofl and you don't see any (perhaps a few if you look around for a long time) Asians posing behind the windows there I went a lot to the Asian neighbourhood thought eh funny thing about it is you have all these restaurants and hotels and one street away is the sex neighbourhood with their hookers and coffee shops but that neighbourhood has nothing to do with the Asian community that lives a street further the majority there has restaurants/cafe's, Asian supermarkets and souvenir shops |
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