Who is the strongest guy/gal in OP?

[Eisdrache]

[QUOTE=kadenza;1000414]my guess is either one of the following

Originally Posted by kadenza

> Blackbeard since his fruit power is pretty dam strong, and considering he was able to permanently scar one of the yonkou [shankls] even before he had the power of the fruit [i think luffy will beat the crap out of of since he'll abosrb physical blows] - i think blackbeard would be able to beat all other ppl apart from luffy due to the nature of his fruit

Spoiler:

As far as I know BB is able to nullify the powers of any DF by grabbing the opponent. Since BB is by far stronger than Ruffy (physically) Ruffy cant just stand in front of him and punch him in the face.

Originally Posted by kadenza

> Dragon since he is the only guy to be a real threat vs the world gov, me theory is he has got a storm controlling fruit rather then a wind fruit

What you believe and what you know are two completely different things. Dragons ability wasnt explained yet and as long as we dont have any facts we can just speculate.

Originally Posted by kadenza

> Luffy, cos he has to be hes the hero

Ruffy is on his way to become one of the strongest pirates. However that doesnt mean that he is the strongest right now. We have seen the ice guy beating him easily and he also survived agains Crocodile by pure luck twice.

Originally Posted by kadenza

> navy head sengeku, cos to hav ppl like garp n aoikiji working under him hes gotta b pretty dam strong

I would like to see some more people from the Marine HQ but that might take some time :S

Originally Posted by kadenza

> Enel, cos theoretically speaking luffy shouldnt hav been able to hit him at all

Thats not entierly true. We know for sure that every DF has some weakness (crocodile against liquid, Enel against rubber, etc) Ruffy is the natural enemy of Enels DF so its not surprising that he could hit him.

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

As far as I know BB is able to nullify the powers of any DF by grabbing the opponent. Since BB is by far stronger than Ruffy (physically) Ruffy cant just stand in front of him and punch him in the face

Spoiler:

he also has to absorb any physical attacks to him completely or with more impact then normal due to the gravitational nature of his fruit, so he cant avoid physical blows that connect with him - however he can nullify df power by making physical contact with the df user, so his opponent just need 2 use boxing gloves and/or armor or sumthing of that nature^^.

What you believe and what you know are two completely different things. Dragons ability wasnt explained yet and as long as we dont have any facts we can just speculate.

thats a matter of opinion [differentiating between knowledge and belief] but im not going in2 that....however it was just a theory so chillax, and i didnt suggest his ability was explained and yes i am just speculating [hence the "my theory is he...."]


Ruffy is on his way to become one of the strongest pirates. However that doesnt mean that he is the strongest right now. We have seen the ice guy beating him easily and he also survived agains Crocodile by pure luck twice.

i agree

Thats not entierly true. We know for sure that every DF has some weakness (crocodile against liquid, Enel against rubber, etc) Ruffy is the natural enemy of Enels DF so its not surprising that he could hit him.

so rubber doesnt conduct electricty that doesnt mean he should take solid form,i would have thought he would have stayed in electron form if he was a true master of his logia fruit.

im sry if my respone seems rude or offensive, i just found your response a teensy bit patronising, no hard feelings

[RRavage]

Ruffy is on his way to become one of the strongest pirates. However that doesnt mean that he is the strongest right now. We have seen the ice guy beating him easily and he also survived agains Crocodile by pure luck twice.

Luffy may have a chance now against Aokiji, with heat power of second gear..just a theory thou, still steam's coming out of his body and his skin burning with pinky color, fair enough for me to melt the ice...

Thats not entierly true. We know for sure that every DF has some weakness (crocodile against liquid, Enel against rubber, etc) Ruffy is the natural enemy of Enels DF so its not surprising that he could hit him.

Cant deny that many logia has disadvantages against an opposing element, still darkness is not an element.BB's power works more like a space/gravity devil fruit which makes some insane devil fruit out of limits.He chose to be "vulnerable to outer damage+Nullify devil fruits" instead of becoming a god-like monster with a "logia type vortex body".Scarring a yonkou without getting harmed (and without devil fruit) what makes him scary enough...He probably can take insane damage with his body, so looks like special attacks like Luffy's jet gattling-jet storm-gigante storm not gonna work..He may even need aid of shanks in the end...

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by The Phenomenol

GOOD TO SEE YOU POST AGAIN, HOW HAVE YOU BEEN?

All is okay with me, and you? I need to catch up on One Piece. I've not read much of the latest arc. Ace vs Blackbeard in the anime isn't too far off, you looking forward to that as much as me?


Kadenza

> Whitebeard, since he was able to draw vs roger - my theory to why he need maintanence is cos of possible use of 2 fruits, just a theory though

Not possible. You can only have 1 fruit and only one. Anyone that foolishly eats another, will just die. This has already been mentioned in the Enies Lobby arc by Lucci i think it was.

I actually kind of agree with you on Dragon having that sort of power. Someone on arlong park suggested something along those lines, based on certain things on Dragon's character. I still think its most likely the Wind fruit though.

[kadenza]

[QUOTE=MihawkXGP;1004380]

Not possible. You can only have 1 fruit and only one. Anyone that foolishly eats another, will just die. This has already been mentioned in the Enies Lobby arc by Lucci i think it was.

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i cant understand why people say its not "possible", its a fictional anime, nothing can be for certain - it can b proven wrong later on, but it was just a theory so i wouldnt b suprised if i was wrong

[MihawkXGP]

[QUOTE=kadenza;1004712]

Originally Posted by MihawkXGP

Not possible. You can only have 1 fruit and only one. Anyone that foolishly eats another, will just die. This has already been mentioned in the Enies Lobby arc by Lucci i think it was.

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i cant understand why people say its not "possible", its a fictional anime, nothing can be for certain - it can b proven wrong later on, but it was just a theory so i wouldnt b suprised if i was wrong

No, it has been proven, by that scientist guy...uh..Dr.Vegapunk or w.e his name is. Eating 2 Devil's fruits will kill you. That is an established fact. 1 person cannot have more then 1 ability.

[RRavage]

i cant understand why people say its not "possible", its a fictional anime, nothing can be for certain - it can b proven wrong later on, but it was just a theory so i wouldnt b suprised if i was wrong

You explode after eating second, a second one would be just too overpowerful anyway, and would be a little weird, nobody shouldve stay with one fruit if thats possible, and can turn one piece in to pokemon with rubber+fire+lighting combined punchs like.Also the final anime bad boss should probably be someone like "I eat 3525245 devil fruits no one can beat me yohoho"

so one devil fruit is fair enough..

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by RRavage

You explode after eating second, a second one would be just too overpowerful anyway, and would be a little weird, nobody shouldve stay with one fruit if thats possible, and can turn one piece in to pokemon with rubber+fire+lighting combined punchs like.Also the final anime bad boss should probably be someone like "I eat 3525245 devil fruits no one can beat me yohoho"

so one devil fruit is fair enough..

yes one is enough, but im not suggesting that any ordinary person can go n eat 2 fruits, im jus saying it may b possible that white beard has since he is the only man to hav ever drawn with roger so his body just may have been strong enough to barely survive the presence of 2 fruits inside it - if this is the case, which it may or may not be it could also explain the reason y hes on machines [since there are other characters of his age or older who are in good condition, e.g. Garp]

[UchihaByakuya]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Thats not entierly true. We know for sure that every DF has some weakness (crocodile against liquid, Enel against rubber, etc) Ruffy is the natural enemy of Enels DF so its not surprising that he could hit him.

If we are talknig about relativity etc Enel is invincible and cannot be stopped. In Theory Enel could stop time for himself but meh its an anime it doesn't need to make sense.

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by kadenza

yes one is enough, but im not suggesting that any ordinary person can go n eat 2 fruits, im jus saying it may b possible that white beard has since he is the only man to hav ever drawn with roger so his body just may have been strong enough to barely survive the presence of 2 fruits inside it - if this is the case, which it may or may not be it could also explain the reason y hes on machines [since there are other characters of his age or older who are in good condition, e.g. Garp]

Thats just baseless speculation. This rule would apply to all characters. Just because Whitebeard tied with Roger doesn't mean his body could sustain 2 Devil's Fruits.

There are far more logical reasons for him being on those machines such as injuries he sustained in past fights....or simply the passage of time has taken its toll on his body.

[Duzt2duzt]

But by far the strongest is Aokiji

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by MihawkXGP

Thats just baseless speculation. This rule would apply to all characters. Just because Whitebeard tied with Roger doesn't mean his body could sustain 2 Devil's Fruits.

There are far more logical reasons for him being on those machines such as injuries he sustained in past fights....or simply the passage of time has taken its toll on his body.

lol, again im saying it could possibly be a reason, its not a definately-no matter-what-the-world-will-end-if-its-not-this-reason type reason

and its not totally baselss, it does seem a little odd why whitebeard is on support machines while ppl lke garp arnt, a "logical" explanation wouldnt b cos of sumthing like old age or artheritis [crap speling] since he is a yonkou and the only pirate 2 draw with roger though u may wish to call it baseless speculation, others may call it a prediction, wat ever floats ur boat...

and since when does logic matter so much in anime/manga? especially one such as one piece, at any moment in the progress of the manga/anime seriese they can and hav introduced stuff that doesnt fit logic - the whole notion of DF fruits doesnt fit logic, its not logical to look for logic in one piece lol its a fantasy world where anything can happen

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by kadenza

lol, again im saying it could possibly be a reason, its not a definately-no matter-what-the-world-will-end-if-its-not-this-reason type reason

and its not totally baselss, it does seem a little odd why whitebeard is on support machines while ppl lke garp arnt, a "logical" explanation wouldnt b cos of sumthing like old age or artheritis [crap speling] since he is a yonkou and the only pirate 2 draw with roger though u may wish to call it baseless speculation, others may call it a prediction, wat ever floats ur boat...

and since when does logic matter so much in anime/manga? especially one such as one piece, at any moment in the progress of the manga/anime seriese they can and hav introduced stuff that doesnt fit logic - the whole notion of DF fruits doesnt fit logic, its not logical to look for logic in one piece lol its a fantasy world where anything can happen

Sure anything can happen. Just not a person eating 2 devils fruits when its been stated that No one can eat 2 and survive because you'll die/explode

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by MihawkXGP

Sure anything can happen. Just not a person eating 2 devils fruits when its been stated that No one can eat 2 and survive because you'll die/explode

ok, i see this not ending [ill say whitebeard isnt an ordinary person, ull/other ppl will say when ppl eat 2 df theyll die, then ill repeat myself and so will u etc] i guess we'll jus hav 2 agree to disagree.

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by kadenza

ok, i see this not ending [ill say whitebeard isnt an ordinary person, ull/other ppl will say when ppl eat 2 df theyll die, then ill repeat myself and so will u etc] i guess we'll jus hav 2 agree to disagree.

There are plenty of people that aren't ordinary. All the High Level pirates such as Shanks, the Shichbuckai etc are not ordinary. Its not about us saying it, it is what the manga says, its what Oda sensei has said.

But fair enough.

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by MihawkXGP

There are plenty of people that aren't ordinary. All the High Level pirates such as Shanks, the Shichbuckai etc are not ordinary. Its not about us saying it, it is what the manga says, its what Oda sensei has said.

But fair enough.

just to round things up, when i say not ordinary i mean only person to ever draw with the pirate king

[ShounenOnmyoujiiscoo]

Luffy
Robin

[Black Pirate]

Luffy
Dragon
Shanks
Ace
and all of "D"
Usopp(just a lucky man)

[Phenomenal]

Whitebeard

Mihawk

Aokiji

[EphiamOricuna]

Whitebeard

Black Beard

Enel

Mihawk

Aokiji


I don't like Black Beard all that much, really. He is just..bleh. I would much rather people like Crocodile, Kuro, and Lucci compared to him. Much rather. I just hope he is not the "Final enemy" that the strawhats face.