[SE Change] When Kira Joins ZAFT...

[Tak]

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

Yzaks gouf=Force Impules IMO. Shinn is a higher ranked soldier then Yzak. Yzak doesn't hold the power to disciplin him.

Well, I delightly recall the incident where Yzak actually kicked some Druggie's ass in the first few episodes of Destiny. In a ZAKU, no less.

As for Shinn outranking Yzak? Not really. It was not until Shinn gets FAITH did he finally had the capacity to do things as he saw fit. However, Faith does not allow anyone to question the authorities of Fleet Commanders. Even Athrun had to inform Glydis before going on a mission by himself. Athrun did not appear to have the power to alter the course of the Minerva or direct entire ZAFT fleet operations.

When Shinn was just a red, Yzak by default, outranked him. Especially given the fact that Yzak too, had a few reds under him. One being his rumored work-wife, Shiho Hahnenfuss.

- Tak (While the GOUF is arguably a pretty good suit, its still not a Gundam, but a Grunt suit. On a side note, compared to the ZAKU, the Gouf was a sad replacement of a grunt suit, and one with very limited options in the game 'Generation of CE'. Albeit in Yzak's case, its an 'upgrade' )

[grandmaster192]

Originally Posted by Tak

Well, I delightly recall the incident where Yzak actually kicked some Druggie's ass in the first few episodes of Destiny. In a ZAKU, no less.

As for Shinn outranking Yzak? Not really. It was not until Shinn gets FAITH did he finally had the capacity to do things as he saw fit. However, Faith does not allow anyone to question the authorities of Fleet Commanders. Even Athrun had to inform Glydis before going on a mission by himself. Athrun did not appear to have the power to alter the course of the Minerva or direct entire ZAFT fleet operations.

When Shinn was just a red, Yzak by default, outranked him. Especially given the fact that Yzak too, had a few reds under him. One being his rumored work-wife, Shiho Hahnenfuss.

- Tak (While the GOUF is arguably a pretty good suit, its still not a Gundam, but a Grunt suit. On a side note, compared to the ZAKU, the Gouf was a sad replacement of a grunt suit, and one with very limited options in the game 'Generation of CE'. Albeit in Yzak's case, its an 'upgrade' )

Well this is what I am seeing....

"FAITH (Fast Acting Intergrate Tactical Headquarters) is an elite subset of ZAFT personnel that have remarkable war records and certain character traits. They are appointed by the PLANT council or the Chairman, to whom they are solely answerable. Their authority is above those of Squadron Commanders, and can presumably give strategic orders on the spot or override any orders given to them by anyone other than the Council."

I say FAITH outranks a comamnder.

(And I don't care if the Gouf is not a gundam. I still think it's as good or better then the Force Impulse.)

[Silent Soldier]

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

Well this is what I am seeing....

"FAITH (Fast Acting Intergrate Tactical Headquarters) is an elite subset of ZAFT personnel that have remarkable war records and certain character traits. They are appointed by the PLANT council or the Chairman, to whom they are solely answerable. Their authority is above those of Squadron Commanders, and can presumably give strategic orders on the spot or override any orders given to them by anyone other than the Council."

I say FAITH outranks a comamnder.

(And I don't care if the Gouf is not a gundam. I still think it's as good or better then the Force Impulse.)

That is the official defenition of FAITH but they are going to have to answer to the chairman yes but I think at the very least they have to inform the squadron commanders of there intentions before taking action. And depending on what the decision is even if the commander doesn't have the authority to say no you can't do that he can still choose not to support the decision of the FAITH member, and now that the chairman is dead that whole system of FAITH might be dismantled and if that's the case Shinn is a red again and red is always below white he will have to take orders from someone like Yzak.

The impulse has phase shift and the ability to change it's equipment based on the situation not to mention the whole core fighter ejection system. The Gouf can not do any of that it is an inferior suit unless perhaps the impulse is being piloted by a novice fresh out of the academy and the Gouf by a veteran pilot.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

"FAITH (Fast Acting Intergrate Tactical Headquarters) is an elite subset of ZAFT personnel that have remarkable war records and certain character traits. They are appointed by the PLANT council or the Chairman, to whom they are solely answerable. Their authority is above those of Squadron Commanders, and can presumably give strategic orders on the spot or override any orders given to them by anyone other than the Council."

I don't know where you got the information from for the latter half of the paragraph. Nonetheless, no FAITH member in GSD ever gave strategic orders or override the orders of existing operations on the spot. An example: When Minerva was chasing down the Archangel, its ZAFT collegues, who were doing the exact same thing, downright ignored Glydis' surrender request, and continued firing despite her protests.

Besides, it makes a moot point now because the chairman is dead. In present terms, Shinn is just a red, and red is always below white.

Moreover, Yzak's is no longer a Squadron Commander. If properly defined by today's terms, it makes him an admiral, as he has two battleships under his administration.

- Tak

[grandmaster192]

Originally Posted by Silent Soldier

That is the official defenition of FAITH but they are going to have to answer to the chairman yes but I think at the very least they have to inform the squadron commanders of there intentions before taking action. And depending on what the decision is even if the commander doesn't have the authority to say no you can't do that he can still choose not to support the decision of the FAITH member.

They can do that but If a FAITH member wants to do something theres nothing a Commander can do about it. FAITH out ranks a commmander and can pretty mutch do what ever they want.

Originally Posted by Silent Soldier

The impulse has phase shift and the ability to change it's equipment based on the situation not to mention the whole core fighter ejection system. The Gouf can not do any of that it is an inferior suit unless perhaps the impulse is being piloted by a novice fresh out of the academy and the Gouf by a veteran pilot.

The gouf has better melee weapons and has a better gun. I think the Gouf is just as good as the Force Impulse.

[anselfir]

Well now since kira is pretty much the embodiment of godliness plus the influence of Lacus, not to mention the presumably large role of the clyne faction/peace loving moderates present in the reorganized zaft, the ranks are ceremonial to him. Perhaps Lacus liked the white uni or something.

[Obi-Wan]

Originally Posted by Tak

I don't know where you got the information from for the latter half of the paragraph. Nonetheless, no FAITH member in GSD ever gave strategic orders or override the orders of existing operations on the spot. An example: When Minerva was chasing down the Archangel, its ZAFT collegues, who were doing the exact same thing, downright ignored Glydis' surrender request, and continued firing despite her protests.

When Meyrin is all joygasming about Athrun and telling Vino and Yolant that him and the captain are both in FAITH, Yolant straight up says that they have the ability to superceed the decisions of other field commanders. I'm sure the reason Willard ignored Talia's surrender request is because the order to shoot down Archangel came from Military HQ (aka Gilbert), and FAITH does not superceed their authority.

[yezhanquan]

Anyway, my comments on Kira in the white uniform: I say, give us the red uniform, and make sure that the FAITH pin is on it!!

Actually, given the nature of FAITH, even if Lacus becomes the leader of PLANT, she wouldn't scrap the group by default. People were appointed to FAITH based on their character and abilities, for the most part. (This, to me, excludes Shinn and Rey) It's important to note that FAITH members aren't the lackeys of the Chairman. That's why they were respected.

[Dave21]

Can you guys please explain for me ?

I have just seen Gundam seed desteny !
and it was soo GOOD ! loved it !!
This was my first Gundam anime.
So at first i dident know that Gundam seed desteny was a follow up that it was Seassion 2. only saw all flash backs and i tought wtf...this seems strange.
So after like 20 episodes i saw that there is Gundam Seed (era 71).
And that all does flash backs has to be the first gundam....
Well thats makes me very sad i just loved it ! and i really woud like to see Gundam seed first and know the story and everything before Gundam seed desteny but thats to late
But think im gona try to buy the first Gundam seed but it will be strange to see part 1 when you alredy seen part 2

But can you guys explain to me how many series there are ?
First is GUNDAM SEED.....then....GUNDAM SEED DESTENY.
And what is after ????
Is ther more in the Story??
Dont it end at Gundam seed desteny when the chairman and Plant get defeated?

And were can i buy them ?


TY !

[srb]

Look at the stickied topics here in the forum for a list of the different Gundam anime shows.

[kira-sama]

like i said in special edition thread that's i'm not agree kira in ZAFT even it was aleady official "sigh"

[Neku]

Whoa.. is this off already? Anyways, I managed to read till around page 6.. got lazy, and skipped to page 11; read the first post and, Tak, I'd really like to see Yzak disciplining Shinn <3

Anyways, on-topic:
My first thought of why Kira actually wore a ZAFT uniform was that he wanted to protect Lacus. I thought that, after Meer's death, they(scriptwriters) would make Lacus impersonate as Meer or something, and Kira insists to go with her; bodyguard, ya know.

But after reading this topic, my second thought was that if it is AFTER Durandal's fall, and Kira joins ZAFT, it would probably mean that they are making Kira and Lacus's situation kinda like Athrun and Cagalli's at the start of GSD, except for the fact that Kira is an official.

I highly doubt Kira would be commanding any ship though. I've always thought him wearing that uniform or doing anything like that was always and solely to protect Lacus only(the reason he unleashed Freedom was also because Lacus was in danger), and Lacus gives him a high rank to ensure uh.. power, authority? I mean.. it's just a uniform >_>

Anyways, I love the fact that he enters ZAFT because it could mean more Kira/Lacus scenes. It was lacked. >.<;;

PS: Now that I think of it.. Kira in red is better :P

[M_Flores]

I like white ZAFT Kira even more now - he's gotten rid of the sleeper look and finally looked like something fearsome and flauntable instead of that innocent, goody-goody teddy bear look. Kira in white ZAFT actually looks more like a BOSS character rather than a hero - which is very pleasing because his MS is really powerful now and his image has to keep up as well.

[Deacon Blues]

http://www.zeonic-republic.net/forum...1164383341.jpg

And now all hell breaks loose...

[Obi-Wan]

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

http://www.zeonic-republic.net/forum...1164383341.jpg

And now all hell breaks loose...

Well, looks like all you doubters just got kicked in the nuts.

[Last_Hope]

What I´m interested in is why Kira joins ZAFT. His reasons for joining the side that´s been his enemy for more or less the entire time during the two wars. But I got to say that it´s nice to see that Kira of all people (considering his history with ZAFT) gets a higher rank right away than Shinn.

That picture, by the way, is from..?

And I see Athrun finally decided to stay as an Orb officer aswell. These things makes my hopes for the movie rise a bit. It would be kind of fun to see Kira lead a group in battle consisting of Shinn and Lunamaria.

[mikyu]

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

http://www.zeonic-republic.net/forum...1164383341.jpg

And now all hell breaks loose...

there must be a damn good reason that I will accept this! you (don't mean you deacon ) can show me whatever you want I won't accept that kira joins zaft! I won't!

[wingdarkness]

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

http://www.zeonic-republic.net/forum...1164383341.jpg

And now all hell breaks loose...

Says the bringer of good fortune ...

I think I see Heine too ...Now that would pwn the Zaft-suit news! Well can't wait to see Kira control his fleet with that take-charge attitude he has ..."Tally-ho!!!"

[DarkWarrior]

Originally Posted by wingdarkness

Says the bringer of good fortune ...

I think I see Heine too ...Now that would pwn the Zaft-suit news! Well can't wait to see Kira control his fleet with that take-charge attitude he has ..."Tally-ho!!!"

.. that's Hilda, the leader of the Dom Trio.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

http://www.zeonic-republic.net/forum...1164383341.jpg

And now all hell breaks loose...

Luna finally wears pants?!?!

damn right that all hell breaks loose...

Anyway, why ZAFT? Kira's cooler when he's fighting for the Britannia Empire.