2012-07-15, 06:20 | Link #1641 |
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I believe Achiga will come to the final solely because they don't seem to have any 'filler' member in their roster. Many schools seems to have at least 1-2 members that doesn't have any special power and doesn't do much, but Achiga doesn't seem to have it. It's like how Arata said it, the overall team ability of Achiga is pretty high.
Eventhough I said that.. I wonder how Ritz will do her manga if both Achiga and Kiyosumi go to the final. Would she make the final with two point of view from achiga and main manga? Or would she end the side story when Achiga reached the final and tell the final outcome in the main manga? ...oh and do you think Himematsu will finally have their revenge against Saki?
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2012-07-15, 06:40 | Link #1642 | |
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For most of Saki's winning in this match are all cheap hands that has full control of the points. Specially that last attack of her poor Toyone. After Kyouko won. She immediately ends the game like she doesn't care anymore and she has the "tanoshii" face
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2012-07-15, 07:42 | Link #1643 | |
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So far, each time Demon in Saki (Saki, Koromo, Teru, and Jindai) play Mahjong and in winning streak, her inner though never been written and I don't see it will be different for the final... |
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2012-07-15, 07:57 | Link #1644 | |
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However, achiga manga usually has more pages than the main manga so I don't think Ritz will do it like that.
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2012-07-15, 08:08 | Link #1645 | |
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2012-07-15, 11:39 | Link #1647 | |
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And it could easily been that Senriyama was looking out to see how good Achiga/Kentani while studying them instead of trying to impress instead.. Izumi was targeting Yuu's weakpoint until she realised that she gets all red tiles and she stopped targeting and we saw nothing next.. Could she be actually trying to work out something for data collection for FunaQ? Sera doesn't seem like she was trying to stop Ako.. She seems like she wants to compete to see who can get most points off the other 2 schools.. FunaQ was analyzing Arata the entire match which is why she wasn't even trying to win.. Ryuuka looks aa smart girl amd with the game in the bag, she might be just hastening the game.. What were Achiga before the tournament? Nothing and then came up with 5 members to form a team.. What were Senriyama? Top 2 school nationwide, with the same cast and Toki being a new addition. I just can't see how Achiga is of the same level as Senriyama.. If they are, I'm going to grab X number of friends or friend's friend and ask a pro to train us, play some training matches with some top teams and enter the national competition in the sport and I'll likely get into at least the semi-finals.. (You get my logic) Achiga's a good team.. They are good enough to be best 16 and nearly miss out on the best 8.. But are they the best 4 team in whole of Japan? |
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2012-07-15, 12:20 | Link #1648 | |
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Akado pro is the only one since 10 years(?) ago that actually managed to get points more than Haneman to Sukoyan. That alone makes her a whole different level as a pro compared to the others..it's just that perhaps because she was often overshadowed and the main focus of the side story is not about her, people doesn't seem to think too highly of her What I want to say is that 3 months of intensive training from her ---which we can see that everyday they seem to train until night--- is probably on par with those who have pro level training for 1-2 years. It's still a possibility, which will might be true if they managed to defeat Senriyama by combining their abilities. They're still pretty weak when fighting against someone with special abilities though.. ..btw, how does one train in mahjong anyway? I could only think of training your tile efficiency, but the girls in Saki doesn't seem to have that kind of problem where they couldn't get tenpai because of bad discard.
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2012-07-15, 12:52 | Link #1649 | ||
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The thing is Achiga have no such player.. They have players who are really good but not really ace-type.. Ako is close or maybe have the potential to be one but she isn't and haven't become one.. Now let's say they are as good as most top school out there.. Who will win?? Easily, it'll be the team with more ace-calibre player.. If Achiga actually have an ace-like player like Akado, I think I would kind of accept them having a chance at running for best 4.. Quote:
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2012-07-15, 12:59 | Link #1650 | |
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2012-07-15, 13:03 | Link #1651 | |
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If we assume that there is 2 high school team tournaments per year- the current one and the mysterious spring tournament ( which I believe brings a roster change since seniors are graduating and might not be eligible to participate.) But, come the current timeline where there is an influx of freshman and transferees. And all the other seeded teams seems to have leveled up. Eisui - the manga implies that the other mikos' sans Jindai are newly transferred this year because Jindai pushed herself hard the previous year to the point of endangering her health. Thus all the branch families sent representative this year to ease Jindai's burden. Rinkai - Rinkai has a star-studded line-up this year. In fact beside Megan and perhaps Satoha - the 3 other members of their roster are new and have ridiculous credentials. Senriyama - Beside their first year sergeant they probably haven't changed their roster from the spring tournament. So assuming that in the spring tournament, with Eisui having only Jindai, Rinkai only having Satoha and Megan and Senriyama having all their roster unchanged except for their first year sergeant. Then, the ranking is like this: 1. Shiraitodai 2. Senriyama 3-4 Rinkai/Eisui But, come the current timeline from what we know of the seeded team's roster it would more or less look like this: 1. Shiraitodai 2. Rinkai 3. Eisui 4. Senriyama Note: This just takes in consideration the seeded teams ranking against each other, I'm sure some would argue that Miyamori and even Himematsu can take on Senriyama for the 4th place. Though, I agree with the statement that Achiga cannot be considered as one of the best 4 team in the whole of Japan. There is a very good chance that Achiga would be beaten by any of the team that was fighting with Kiyosumi in the quarterfinals. In my opinion, Miyamori, Eisui and even Himematsu will beat Achiga handily. To be honest, I'm thinking that the draws are skewed with Side B getting the hardest teams. The Quarter finals of Block C is in hell mode difficulty and probably the hardest one in all the quarterfinal match that happened this year. The match involved the 3rd seed Eisui, Himematsu (which is implied to be 5th in rank), Miyamori ( who is a bundle of hidden surprises and who also defeated a team that has a 6th placer for the individual) and Kiyosumi (who defeated Ryuumonbucchi and finished their preliminary national match without their captain and vice-captain). Just getting 2nd place in that match is insanely hard.
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Here's my top 5 before Kiyo's emergence 1) Shiraitodai 2) Rinkai 3) Senriyama 4) Eisui 5) Himematsu I think Senriyama's been underrated by people because the rest of their members didn't blowout the rest of the team after Toki's dominance.. I'll place Kiyosumi around 3~5 place because I don't think they are as star-studded as the top 2.. |
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2012-07-15, 18:28 | Link #1653 |
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Chalk me to being another reader who thinks, at this point, Achiga isn't quite at the level of some of the teams of Side B yet (they have the possibility to become one though -- look at Himematsu, which is composed solely of normals). While they likely have a high competency average (with only Kuro really having a glaring weakness), they don't have a good counter against players with probability-bending abilities or plain lesbian hax. It should be telling for example how Yumi (who has foresight and experience instead), a girl who has no special abilities, managed to work around the abilities of the two members of Achiga who have them.
Pluck and determination are all well and good, but it won't help when you're butting your head literally at a stone wall (any of the named monsters in the tourney). A good strategy will help against instances like those, and the latter is what Achiga really needs.
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2012-07-15, 21:46 | Link #1654 |
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So, are we debating which is more likely to come to final or which is more worthy to come to final?
Because the first one will have Achiga as the answer while the later will have Senriyama as the most likely answer (though I will argue Shindouji has more potential than Senriyama)... In my opinion, skill won't be the deciding factor... It is up to the demon player, as I've said, to choose who will come with them to the next round, much like Saki choose Himematsu instead of Eisui... Also, there are still 2 things to remember: 1) Shindouji's best player hasn't played yet... 2) We don't know what Achiga's improvements are... (This mostly because Teru is too powerful at the time) Also top five without Kiyosumi for me: 1) Shiraitodai 2) Eisui 3) Rinkai 4) Miyamori 5) Senriyama (Or Shodouji depend on the their later player) Himematsu is full with skilled player, but Miyamori has Toyone and if it isn't because of Saki, Himematsu won't advance... Well, we'll still need to see what power-up Himematsu will get... |
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Though, I'm a bit curious what happened in that match, it seems like Sukoyan dealt into Akado's hand for more than a Haneman but then how come it was Akado that was traumatized? Perhaps Akado's situation was analogous to Kuro's situation with Teru wherein Sukoyan was so far ahead that even when she dealt into a large value hand it hardly made a dent om her lead? I do admit there has been some evidence that Akado might be a good pro since she was scouted and considered the ace of a team in the pro leagues. But to say that Akado was a whole new level even in the world of pros seems to be a stretch. Quote:
Technically, it is Shiraitodai's best interest to choose the weaker school. But, then again they might not considering their captain complains about how weak their opponents is - they might want a challenge.
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By the way, in which chapter was the Spring Tourney first mentioned? I thought there were technically only two tourney seasons -- Summer and Winter, where the latter saw a change of the guard as the seniors had to retire (we see this in a lot of other shows or media).
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2012-07-17, 06:44 | Link #1659 | |
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But the one that I can recall being mentioned was the summer and spring.. (when Nodoka asked of Saki what's her sister's name) |
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2012-07-17, 15:02 | Link #1660 | |
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On Saki manga, there has been mentions here and there of the spring tournament. The one that I remember is on Saki chapter 80 (outcome) pg. 7 where Hisa mentioned Hiroe playing consistently well in the last year's interhigh and spring tournament. Then there is another mention of a tournament this time on fall/Autumn. Reference on Saki chapter 83 pg. 8 wherein it is said that this tourney will bring a change in line-up due to the seniors graduating. I believe there are two big tourneys for high school in Saki-verse like other sports manga. The first tournament is the prefecture tournament and the Inter high tournament which happens at the tail end of Spring to Summer. The second tournament is probably the Fall tournament (which might be the qualifier for the Spring tournament) and the Spring tournament itself. I believe the Spring tournament is a very late Winter tournament equivalent in other sport genre since both tourneys are supposed to bring a change in line-up due to the seniors graduation.
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