2012-06-17, 11:16 | Link #21 |
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Actually I am perfectly fine with split cours. I mean I guess I would rather not have to wait and get the entire series at once but I also don't think anything is wrong with waiting to give a chance for the production team to improve on the 2nd half of the story or to let the source material get a bit ahead.
Now if the split cour is not planned and approved of ahead of time then that's a different story, but I think in the case of Fate Zero for example they knew from day 1 it was going to be a split cour and I think it turned out just fine. I also wish some long running series would employ this method. What I would give for One Piece to take breaks between seasons. Unlike a lot of shounen One Piece doesn't have much filler but the series moves as slow as molasses. It would be so much better if they did an arc of the manga and then put the series on hold until more material of the manga was available.
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Fine with it, especially if it means no more recap episodes, even though some 2 cour series that aired recap episodes never included them officially like RahXephon and Code Geass.
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The only time I can think this affected a split cour show is when the massive bomb in Mitsudomoe had only 8 episodes in the second half instead of another 13 like the first season. Considering the episodic material of the show it was easy enough to reduce the episode output though. Of course maybe 8 episodes was the plan all along... but regardless what you said has no bearing on how split cour shows work. Claymore ended like it did because it was the only possible ending point they could use... and even than it messed up things so badly from the manga that it's impossible to make a sequel using the anime ending. The original manda ending was Berserk Golden Age like, sans the rape. Quote:
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well anyway back on topic are we talking about shows like fate/zero which was made with the specific intent on it being a split 2 cour anime, cause lets face it those are pretty rare honestly the only series i know that have done that is fate and lagrange. I really dont see the point of spliting it why not just show all of it at one go if its intended to be a 2 cour anime
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2012-06-17, 11:38 | Link #24 | |
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Asura Cryin' + Asura Cryin' 2 Mitsudomoe + Mitsudomoe Zouryouchuu! Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai + Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai II (The second season was leaked before the first even aired) All flops (so stop with that hedge their bets nonsense), all aired 3 months after the first season. Some shows flat out say they're split cour, others wait... I think the smarter straight is not to mention it... I mean it's the difference between.... "Oh shit I have to buy Jormungand so I can see the awesome part near the end animated!" vs "Oh second season coming so all will be animated.. no need to buy this than lol". Of course for power houses like Fate/Zero it doesn't matter.. |
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This isn't a concern if you can do a "straight run" of 24 to 26 episodes without needing an end point/cliffhanger point of sorts half-way in between. Quote:
And I very much doubt that Fate/Zero would have bothered with a recap episode even if it did take a traditional two cour approach.
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2012-06-17, 12:07 | Link #27 |
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How common were they in the mid-2000's when the industry was more flush? This isn't a rhetorical question, but a factual inquiry. If economics hasn't played a role in the use of this format, then split-cour shows should have been a common feature of anime productions for years. Were there always split-cour shows, but I just missed them?
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2012-06-17, 12:35 | Link #28 |
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Well, in fairness, I guess that lessening the likelihood of recap episodes arising is a minor point in Split Cour's favor.
I doubt Split Cour is having a huge impact here - maybe, say, one fewer recap episode a year - but every little bit helps.
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2012-06-17, 13:40 | Link #29 |
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Somewhat funny note regarding recaps: since Aniplex ran Fate/Zero in a lot of the same timeslots as Nisemonogatari, they aired two recap episodes of the "first season" to bide time until the end of the season and the start of the "second season." These recap episodes are included on the fifth ("bonus") BD of the second BD-Box. That's one way to help new fans who don't want to watch 13 episodes prior.
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2012-06-17, 14:33 | Link #30 |
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Recaps use to be more for the animators. So they would have time to catch up. But also sometimes if a story ran short. There use to be shows that provided a basica recap at the beginning of each show. Some were longer than others, either depending on how behind the animators were or had short the week's story was.
A clip show would be if the animators were so behind they needed a padding to catch up. Or the story was set of say 26 episodes but the story could only really be told in 25...so one clip episode is added to fill in the time slot.
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The latter rationalization would be one of economics. However, the former could possibly be a response to some of the schedule problems faced during the mid-2000s when the number of productions increased. Whatever the case, the industry has readily adopted the split-cour format, so their strategy must have some positive effect. |
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2012-06-17, 16:57 | Link #32 | |
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And yes, being 2 connected cours DOESNT prevent those boring episodes from being aired, but as I said earlier it breaks the flow and reduces excitement because when the series goes on hiatus you're stuck with the image of not so great episodes, in Fate/Zero's case good but not as epic, and in Lagrange's case, it made the series forgettable. Of course, if you spent a little more time reading than ranting on my post and realizing that we are talking about split cour specific shows you would have realized I say this, but I know, my posts are too hard to appreciate.
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2012-06-17, 19:16 | Link #33 | |
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Probably worth mentioning that Clannad was also a "split-cour" show, just in a "two cours on, two cours off" format. The entire thing is really one big production, with the airing divided for production reasons... and that's really what is meant by "split-cour". This as opposed to the more common case where a show is successful and green-lit for a "second season" where production begin as soon as the first season ends (and so the airing will generally occurs about 12-18 months later -- that gives you a sense of the normal production lag-time; a single episode takes many months to produce). This is also why it's somewhat useful to define "cour" separate from "season"; a second season usually means a separate production, but a second cour is an extension of the original production. As was alluded to earlier, the main reason for this is because of the shortage of animators, and the difficulty in scheduling good animators/sub-contractors for a tight production schedule. The gap allows them to spread things out a little bit more so they can do a longer show with a smaller group of people/companies, rather than having to hire more and more contractors and having the quality and particularly consistency of the art/animation suffer. I'm sure that the marketing strategy that this facilitates (for example, being able to sell more volumes of DVDs/BDs and not get the same push-back) is what helps fund this extra time (because otherwise you might say "why don't they just start working on the show earlier and wait until they have a stockpile before releasing"). Other than that, I guess I would also agree with what some people mentioned that a lot of "traditional" two-cour shows seem to be organized in one-cour chunks anyway, with a big climax/cliffhanger right near the end of each cour. So in that sense, a split cour may actually not make that big of a difference to the story if the writers were thinking of the story in "one-cour chunks" to begin with. Of course, that's not always the case, but I've noticed it fairly frequently. (Though I've noticed this most often with shows that air in the Fall because they have a one-week break over the New Years holidays. So ending on a cliffhanger or with a big climax is a good way to leave things before even a short break.) In any case, whether split-cour or not, I'm usually at least happy that the story's continuation is locked in place. Although I've liked some one-cour shows, my preference is still for two-cour shows, so however they make that work is usually good for me.
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2012-06-17, 21:33 | Link #34 |
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The art of the 2-cour seems to be lost as of late. But it can be risky so I understand a need for chunks.
But perhaps people will factor it in and think of the one-cour chunk strategy that's been around for a while. I just feel that psychologically that the difference between a second season and a short hitatus into split cour somehow made a difference. Then again, it might just be that the shows written for separate seasons were done so with people considering the possibility there may be no second season. Relentless did note a few good examples, and I actually have to wonder what would happen had I watched something like Clannad AS live. I forgot to reply, but yes.
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^ Actually 2-cour series are more prominent in the last 18 months than they have been for a long time....
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I don't mind the use of split cour too much, though I can see it starting to grate on my nerves eventually if it becomes more common a trend than it is right now. There's some stories that benefit from the suspense and anticipation that comes along with a long break; the long hiatus in Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon works for me because it ended on a nice cliffhanger, with Part II representing some fundamental changes from Part I, namely the fact that the deuteragonist enters the story at the end of the original. Some other series are just baffling, though - what's the point of building up the suspense with Kimi to Boku? (Unless that was done for monetary reasons or time constraints or whatever.) |
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There's nothing illegitimate about criticizing the pacing for an adaptation merely because the source material doesn't have enough content to interpret. Why should anything related to the original work matter when it's the adaptation people are watching? Otherwise, Haruhi 2009 wouldn't have been so bad because people would simply say to read the LN portion that covered Endless Eight. Actually, the LN portion would be forgiven but its anime counterpart would not be excused.
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The only ones that i can think of that are atleast 2 cours from 2011-2012 are Ao no excorcist Aquarion Evol Chihayafuru Eureka 7 AO Fate/Zero Gosick Guilty crown Hanasaku Iroha Horizon Imas Hyouka K-on Mirai Nikki Morita Persona 4 Phi Brain Steins;Gate tiger and Bunny and a few more that i probably forgot. I am obviously excluding recurring shows that have 4 cours like the gundam, yu-gi-oh, pokemon and precure series and the random shounen anime adaptation that last several cours. I also not included obvious sequels and not 2 cour shows like Kore wa zombie desu ka. Compare that to 2007 Bamboo blade Bokurano Clannad Da capo 2 Darker than black Denno Coil Dragonaut El Cazador de la Bruja Engage Planet Kiss Dum Ghost hound Ghost Slayers Ayashi Gurren Lagann Hayate no gotoku Heroic Age Inukami Kaze no Stigma Kaji Kimi Kiss Less miserables Lucky star Moribito Nanoha Strikers Neuro Princess ressurection rental magica Romeo and Julliet Shana Shuffle Sky girls Suteki Tantei Labyrinth Tsubasa chronicles Xenoglossia And probably some others that i forgot. The list from 2007 alone is bigger than 2011 and 2012 (the last 18 months) combined. Some 2 cours shows had a longer gap than 3 months, like Clannad or the more recent Horizon anime Last edited by hyl; 2012-06-18 at 12:38. Reason: added some more shows |
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(And incidentally, from your list, Da Capo II was split-cour.)
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