Guilty Crown - General Discussion

[zero7090]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I still fail to see any resemblance Guilty Crown has with Code Geass since the characters, settings and feel are all different.

Powerless boy meet mysterious girl while being cornered by military personnels inside a warehouse. Then girl give boy power of king.

[Haak]

Add said boy joins a rebellion against an evil Western power that has occupied Japan. Oh and there's mecha.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by zero7090

Powerless boy meet mysterious girl while being cornered by military personnels inside a warehouse. Then girl give boy power of king.

Street = warehouse?
Vial = girl?

Not disagreeing on the similarities but you don't exactly put forward a compelling case...

[felix]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Street = warehouse?
Vial = girl?

Not disagreeing on the similarities but you don't exactly put forward a compelling case...

You're just nitpicking the details.

The scenario/formula is pretty much the same no matter how you look at it: boy meets super-girl, get super power, is now destined to "lead". It smells of copy/paste all over; similar to the problem harem usually have. It's different each time but same formula as far as the main plotline is concerned; and the problem is the main plotline is what's going to define it. They've already set everything up CG style with 1-man pincer movements and really flashy one-shot strategies with (stupidly) "precise" impossible-planning. It's like a spiritual successor to CG. Hell even the name GC is similar. We're now just moved into the CG school setting. How long before we get the "use power to hide identity" or "rebels are powerless with out you" I wonder.

The antagonist follow pretty much the same principles too. Instead of a crap-ton of field commanders you got 1-man leader person along with some Elites which pretty much make or break them. Needless to say the rebels are pretty similar too. 1 leader, with an extra support leader and everyone one else reduced to either peons, fodder or in this case fanservice.

That said Lelouch was a much more likable character. It's like we have Suzaku as main this time. Britania was also a much more likable antagonist, just because it was so wack and funny.

[Toto y Moi]

Originally Posted by Jarmel

Not really. I actually loved Code Geass. Just so far, it's been really similar to CG, which has its negatives and pluses. The whole affair seems like Yoshino and Ōkouchi wanting to try and make a better version of CG with better music, better character designs, and more realistic characters. I think Inori is a horrible character though so far but it's only two episodes in. The villains are also horribly written. Character development takes time and saying that whichever character isn't developed, isn't a fair criticism of a show only two episodes in of a 22 episode show.

I think this plan backfired though. The character designs aren't any better; save Inori, they're horribly generic. And the characters aren't realistic either, but what's worse is that the show is trying to sell the idea that they are. Character development may take time, but everyone we've seen right now has the dimensions of a cardboard cutout. The music is mostly good, but at this point I really can't call it "better" than Code Geass' music.

[fertygo]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I still fail to see any resemblance Guilty Crown has with Code Geass since the characters, settings and feel are all different.

Really? at this point you can't even deny it even if you're trying

Add said boy joins a rebellion against an evil Western power that has occupied Japan. Oh and there's mecha.

And there is this ruin city too.

[felix]

Originally Posted by DummyInc

Spoiler:

can anyone modify this wallpaper to more silvery with the below pattern at 1920 x 1200?? TIA
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Like this?

[Last Sinner]

Watched Episode 2 just now.

Any similarities drawn between Code Geass and this show are now fairly baseless. Glad that's out of the way.

Still, I am dropping this show. Not feeling that great about it, but Episode 2 really put me off this show. Here's why:

1. My fears Inori really is the submissive type willing to be used as a tool and treated like a sex-object by the creators of this show came true. That scene in the ventilation duct was so uncalled for - there are times for fanservice, but the particular timing was just SO wrong and it was demeaning to boot! Didn't like the nonchalant way Inori draped Shu's hand across her chest either. It's almost as if she likes being used this way. Factors like these just seem to degrade a heroine rather than give reasons to like her. I'm very disappointed.

2. Rest of the cast is flimsy too. Shu now comes off as generic shounen emo kid. Ayase's introduction was poorly handled and Kana Hanazawa just didn't sound right for that characterm even if Hanazawa voices shy characters generally and is shy IRL. Ayane Taketatsu and Tsugumi clashed even more for me with that style of voice - also seemed inappropriate use of catgirl traits in this case. Gai is just a royal prick. I can watch pricks in actions if they have charisma or some redeeming features. Gai has neither. Looks like more trope-style characters coming in the next few episdoes. There isn't a major character with the charisma or magnetism required to steer a show like this. So instead this feels like medium-grade shounen at best.

3. Really beginning to dislike the music - it's just not working for me. The ED theme is okay but I really don't like the OP theme and Inori's singing isn't doing it for me either. The visuals seemed a bit messy this episode - already wondering whether they spent too much budget on making Episode 1 look good.

4. The world setting/plot progression was next to none in Episode 2. Most other shows I continued with really set things straight in their second episodes - their intentions, settings and motivations became clear. Guilty Crown is already wasting time this early...I am not impressed with this.


I guess this show just isn't for me. For those continuing - good luck. I hope you enjoy this show. But I have seen enough to know the character types and style of this show just doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm better off not continuing.

Peace.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by fertygo

Really? at this point you can't even deny it even if you're trying

Possibly because i expected they will act like their Code Geass counterparts but they didn't.

Let's see:
Shu is a shy, strong but kind kid with a heart while Lelouch who is prideful, has daddy issues, a siscon, vicious mindset and a pathetic weakling.
Gai is sorta like Lelouch, if Lelouch was more honest about his opinions about his crew but doesn't treat them as pawns, isn't a smug, looks great, isn't a weakling and kicks ass.
Inori is almost emotionless girl but is a hard dutiful member while CC is a lazy, sarcastic bum who eats pizza all day.
Britannia is oppressive due to it's Social Darwinism and belief they are a better race than others while GHQ are oppressive due to a paranoid fear of a return of a virus that devastated Japan.

In conclusion, Guilty Crown is no Code Geass but something else.

[Toto y Moi]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Possibly because i expected they will act like their Code Geass counterparts but they didn't.

Let's see:
Shu is a shy, strong but kind kid with a heart while Lelouch who is prideful, has daddy issues, a siscon, vicious mindset and a pathetic weakling.
Gai is sorta like Lelouch, if Lelouch was more honest about his opinions about his crew but doesn't treat them as pawns, isn't a smug, looks great, isn't a weakling and kicks ass.
Inori is almost emotionless girl but is a hard dutiful member while CC is a lazy, sarcastic bum who eats pizza all day.
Britannia is oppressive due to it's Social Darwinism and belief they are a better race than others while GHQ are oppressive due to a paranoid fear of a return of a virus that devastated Japan.

In conclusion, Guilty Crown is no Code Geass but something else.

Hahahaha... is this a joke? You only focused on the negative aspects of the CG characters. Two can play this game.

Shu is a follower. He does what other people tell him, and he's easily swayed by beauty. He decides to help out a terrorist and falls into a pathetic depression after knowing her for literally a minute. He's secretly loving the fact that he's been thrust into the role of a protagonist for two episodes.

Gai emotionally manipulates his comrades because he knows that they want to bone him. He's reckless and doesn't think his plans through. He would have gotten all of those civilians murdered if this show were more realistic.

Inori is an object. Half of the lines that come out of her mouth are about how she's a possession "I'll give you my everything; I'm yours; I already belong to you; use me." She has no personality, and is solely in this show for sex appeal.

The GHQ mass murder civilians cruelly without having any real aims. They just sort of do it for the sake of being mean. They're moustache-twirling villains.

[fertygo]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Possibly because i expected they will act like their Code Geass counterparts but they didn't.

Let's see:
Shu is a shy, strong but kind kid with a heart while Lelouch who is prideful, has daddy issues, a siscon, vicious mindset and a pathetic weakling.
Gai is sorta like Lelouch, if Lelouch was more honest about his opinions about his crew but doesn't treat them as pawns, isn't a smug, looks great, isn't a weakling and kicks ass.
Inori is almost emotionless girl but is a hard dutiful member while CC is a lazy, sarcastic bum who eats pizza all day.
Britannia is oppressive due to it's Social Darwinism and belief they are a better race than others while GHQ are oppressive due to a paranoid fear of a return of a virus that devastated Japan.

In conclusion, Guilty Crown is no Code Geass but something else.

All thing that you mentioned is "facial" (dunno the exact word that I should use) stuff. Next time you maybe gonna said "Inori's hair not green coloured like C.C".
The cast is different, of course they gonna act differently.
How about the protag that suddenly meet mysterious girl, walked into warzone, meet the rebel n the rebel outdo the opposition in ruin city.

The worse thing is I don't even wanna to compare, they just too similar.

[MrTerrorist]

Maybe i have this kind of view point because everyone keeps saying Guilty Crown is like or resembles Code Geass. The comparison kinda bored and annoyed me to the point i just decided this if they say that then fine, it's their view cause to me, it's just a new exciting anime.

[zero7090]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Street = warehouse?
Vial = girl?

Not disagreeing on the similarities but you don't exactly put forward a compelling case...

I am talking about the scene where they meet in the warehouse. And it was the Inori decision to give the main lead power.

[maplehurry]

while GHQ are oppressive due to a paranoid fear of a return of a virus that devastated Japan.

please don't make the plot 10x worse lol.

[felix]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Gai is sorta like Lelouch, if Lelouch was more honest about his opinions about his crew but doesn't treat them as pawns, isn't a smug, looks great, isn't a weakling and kicks ass.

There is a perspective shift compared to CG. We're not following the mad leader archtype (which here is Gai) but the emo hero (Shu). Code Geass has a Clamp style, this has a realistic style. Makes no difference to the story; all your points there are pretty much just that, the differences between clamp and standard setting.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Shu is a shy, strong but kind kid with a heart while Lelouch who is prideful, has daddy issues, a siscon, vicious mindset and a pathetic weakling.

Shu is better compared to Suzaku (damn he even looks the same). And you pretty much made the perfect description of all the points he shares to Suzaku.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Inori is almost emotionless girl but is a hard dutiful member while CC is a lazy, sarcastic bum who eats pizza all day.

Hm. Didn't even notice they were so similar until you just pointed it out now. The differences are largely just a difference in backstory, which doesn't matter much for the plotline, so they are roughly the same character only like others have mentioned Inori is at the present time reduced to a singing doormat.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Britannia is oppressive due to it's Social Darwinism and belief they are a better race than others while GHQ are oppressive due to a paranoid fear of a return of a virus that devastated Japan.

Have you seen any sign of Japanese government? Evil country/organization takes over Japan... Japan has little to no political power in the matter and is virtually destroyed. Sounds pretty much the same deal as CG's setting, only it's not so explicitly stated here.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

In conclusion, Guilty Crown is no Code Geass but something else.

In conclusion people are still in denial and afraid of this show being compared to one of the most popular shows in recent memory.

Is there really anything particularly wrong with being another CG?

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by felix

Is there really anything particularly wrong with being another CG?

I'm not sure but it won't be unique on it's own. Can't build it's own pacing if people keep comparing it. The show has tons of resemblance and even the staff admitted it but I like the show to stand on it's own. For now it doesn't have any redeeming qualities aside from good visuals and songs. The characters still needs to be build up because they don't stand that much yet.

[Jarppa]

What a visually beatiful anime. After 2 episodes story seems to be atleast not bad. Insert songs are always good thing and characters are very pretty too. Best of the season for me prolly.

[Shadow5YA]

requesting a gif catgirl plugsuit Tsugumi during that butt bump scene, preferably less than 2MB and not hosted on photobucket

[dark998]

Originally Posted by Hooves

The only time that I've seen the heroine's face expression changed is when she is singing in the first episode (near the ending). As well as the opening when you says "I'm yours". So, it would be great to see that expression in different occasions.

You forgot the scene when Gai scolds her after failing the mission in epsiode 2.

[besurvivor]

Everyone has their own opinion and taste whether this is good and bad so in the end the one who decide is the one who watch it

after seeing the first two episode even if some people think it is a rip off as CG or think it is bad

all in all i like this show it is kinda entertaining and refreshing after watching so much anime this year and if they keep this pace up i sure it will be one of the best anime series this year

and yes i have watch CG, one for thing for sure is CG is CG and Guilty Crown is Guilty Crown
that is my opinion anyway.

comparing this anime remind of someone post long time ago someone comparing Busou Renkin with Bleach when it first come out =_="