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View Poll Results: Nekomonogatari Black Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 31 | 35.23% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 28 | 31.82% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 19.32% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 2.27% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.14% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 2.27% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.14% | |
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2013-01-04, 05:32 | Link #121 | |||
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As for examples, the start of Nise- when he interrupted her silly game to check on his family... another is the end of TV-Bake- where not only read through her proposition, but also was a turning point in their relationship, because he took over the initiative again from her. I can see why most think Hitagi is driving the relationship, but that is just on the surface. |
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2013-01-04, 09:32 | Link #124 |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
Age: 37
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Episode 4.
Araragi's plan to get rid of the cat was incredibly reckless and came at a complete disregard for his own life, as usual. He would have died if Shinobu hadn't intervened, and he wouldn't have minded. On the contrary, the thought of dying for Hanekawa made him happy. In spite of this, he still couldn't save her. Because she is the only one who can save herself. The reveal that Hanekawa was in control all along was interesting. She was using the cat to run away from her problems, which is not a good solution by any means. I can't blame her for doing that, however. If anything, that proves she is actually human, albeit a very abnormal one. The ending tied well into Bakemonogatari. The way I understood it, Araragi's love for Hanekawa didn't count as his first love because the person he was in love with (the mask Hanekawa wore) didn't exist. His feelings toward the real Hanekawa are more complicated. Even so, he probably wouldn't have rejected her if she had confessed to him before Senjougahara. Not sure their relationship would have been healthy though.
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2013-01-04, 09:59 | Link #125 | |
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2013-01-04, 10:36 | Link #126 | |||
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Hanekawa does have genuine emotions. For example, she was distressed at Araragi saving another girl (Senjougahara) beside her. Simply, the way she expressed was very indirect: she told Araragi her girlfriend wouldn't have liked him to get close to another girl. The problem of Hanekawa, more than her emotions, lies in the fact she is gifted and her thoughts are much more complicated than an average person. Quote:
Just in case, I will explain that the original used a Japanese expression, "wearing a cat". That means "feigning innocence". Some translated it as "wearing a facade" (brilliant translation in its own way), but ultimately it only refers to how the blame is shifted away on the supernatural cat. The Hanekawa Araragi knew (though he admitted he didn't know much of her) was the real deal, as proved from the fact that she did go to save him when he mailed her for help. He just liked Hanekawa better when she was still trying to do her best. The fake in this case would be cat Hanekawa. |
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2013-01-04, 11:12 | Link #127 |
~Omedetô~
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !
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The only thing who bothered me "You're going to live as that person for your whole life!" "You can't change that" "You were born as that person , you grew up into that person"
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2013-01-04, 12:29 | Link #129 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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The problem is that she cannot express certain emotions as directly as Senjougahara can. I'm sure you have read Neko White, so you already know the complaints raised against her personality. Whether it's a force of habit or her own rational decision or the Kaii influencing her, her ability to suppress any "negative" emotion is too strong. It's like a soldier seeing a close comrade dying in front of him during wartime. The soldier has to set aside crying and mourning for his fallen comrade until after the battle is over. If the surviving soldier was Hanekawa, she would go beyond that and never cry for the fallen comrade even after wartime is over because of the belief that she must "be strong". Going back to the cat burial, the "normal" impulse that would say "it's too troublesome" and make people hesitate to bury the cat is not something I think affects Hanekawa. It's not so much that she doesn't have it as it's that she unconsciously says "feeling this way is not an option." She rules out feeling that way, therefore on the surface she can bury the cat with no evidence of hesitation. |
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2013-01-04, 14:09 | Link #130 |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 37
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No, she was in complete control ever since she finished draining her parents. The cat tried to leave after that, but she pulled it back into her and used its power for herself. She wasn't letting the cat do anything, and honestly at this point the cat doesn't even exist anymore. Just like the old story, she was never possessed in the first place. She just took a kaii's power and used it as an excuse to do what she wanted. There was never any split personality, just acting.
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2013-01-04, 14:22 | Link #131 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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after she forgot about it, it was indeed split personality, or else she should have had memories about her time as cat, which wasn't the case after golden week |
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2013-01-04, 14:31 | Link #132 | |
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2013-01-04, 15:03 | Link #133 |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Just finished this 2-hour special after waiting for days so i can watch all in one go...
1. The opening is beautiful. It is arranged artistically and suits the songs. 2. Gah, i really hate Araragi interaction with his sister, especially with Tsukihi. Chessy and pointless, IMO... 3. Oshino Meme, glad to see him again in Monogatari. This guy character is one reason why Monogatari series enjoyable. It just feels different when Koyomi discussing about oddities without him around in Nisemonogatari. 4. Inconsistency with flash back scenes in Bakemonogatari Tsubasa Cat. While kinda understand it, because when Bakemonogatari is aired, NisioIsin not writing Nekomonogatari yet. And i feel those flash back scenes is more dramatic than this one. 5. Good characterization of Hanekawa. NisioIsin did a good job in writing a deep background story regarding Hanekawa and her family. 6. The ending animation is quite different from Bake and Nise. Simple... Overall, i enjoyed Nekomongatari (Kuro) story. Much more than i enjoy Nise. But still not on par with Bakemonogatari Tsubasa Cat arc IMO. *no Hitagi sob sob... Awaits the second part of Monogatari story. |
2013-01-04, 15:24 | Link #134 |
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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I'm only able to scrape out a few minutes here and there to watch anime right now, but what a joy to see Shinbou returning in full form. Beautiful, strange, and shallow in a deep way (or is that deep in a shallow way?). The interactions with sisters have become even more weird and wonderfully bizarre. Questionable in a good way, lol. And the idea that no-one is completely good is kind of reassuring, for me.
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2013-01-04, 16:39 | Link #135 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Age: 37
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Obviously things changed after the ending of this story though. The Kaii Killer sword separating them and all that. Well, afterward she made her own "modern kaii" so the old cat still doesn't exist, but whatever-it-is is separate from her now, which it wasn't during Golden Week. |
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2013-01-04, 19:29 | Link #136 |
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 32
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Well finally got to watch parts 2-4 and I'll just say I would like to pretend that part 1 didn't exist. Much Much much better. This is what I have come to expect from this franchise. Not that garbage introduction we got at the beginning. Here's to hoping Kizu and season 2 is good.
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2013-01-04, 19:52 | Link #137 | |
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2013-01-04, 21:45 | Link #138 |
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Shinobu so good.
Araragi hiding the sword in his body was pretty badass. My opinion of hanakawa as a character is slightly better, but her character standing compared to the others I don't think is going to change much.
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