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Cosmic Eagle · 2011-10-22, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You mean RomCom series have happy endings

?!

Well duh.

Though I heard Nisio Isin has the tendency to do bad endings if that's what you're looking for.

As for me, after a string of disappointment in plot developments from various series like IS and some others, I'm now wary of any titles from MF Bunko J... >.>

I guess I'll just stick to Dengeki Bunko titles.

Dood.....HAGANAI!!!

Just because HnA is spiralling downwards into a pit of WTF that only Double A is worth reading now doesn't mean MF Bunko sucks...

HasuMasu · 2011-10-22, 09:11

B-but I like the magic and stuff...

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-10-22, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Detective-san

B-but I like the magic and stuff...

It's not magic and stuff per se; it's the execution....I mean if it were like Shana or Index (ie in a serious kind of way) then I'd have no problem....

The way it's going now is like some cheap cartoon....

tsunade666 · 2011-10-22, 10:24

the romcom stuff is still fine but throwing fantasy characters out of no where and making the main character useless is a useless development.

Heck Kinji might not be even beat her sister if not for hysteria mode of a girl in Tohyama family.

larethian · 2011-10-22, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You mean RomCom series have happy endings

?!

Well duh.

Though I heard Nisio Isin has the tendency to do bad endings if that's what you're looking for.

As for me, after a string of disappointment in plot developments from various series like IS and some others, I'm now wary of any titles from MF Bunko J... >.>

I guess I'll just stick to Dengeki Bunko titles.

while Dengeki Bunko has the largest number of publications, it doesn't mean that other bunko doesn't publish popular LNs or have hidden gems (which pure harem or moe fanseekers don't read).
going by Kono Light novel (which is popularity based polls), the rankings are:
1. Dengeki
2. MF J
3. Famitsu
4. Dengeki
5. Super Dash
6. Famitsu
7. Fujimi Shobou
8. Dengeki
9. Dengeki
10. Dengeki

Dengeki has high numbers in the 60 ranked simply because it has way more titles than others. It's a numbers game. Fujimi Shobou is a big contender in fantasy series. Outside of those in top 10, we still have Sneaker, HJ, GA, among others that have some great and some decent titles, albeit niche for a few. And yes, Haganai from MF holds high promise of not becoming a train wreck.

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-23, 09:56

I think the part that annoyed me the most while translating this was the unceasing misuse of foreign languages.

I actually really enjoyed this novel...up until the prologue ended.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Just because HnA is spiralling downwards into a pit of WTF that only Double A is worth reading now doesn't mean MF Bunko sucks...

AA is pretty good.

The art's improved too, I think.

Marcus H. · 2011-10-23, 10:01

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unceasing misuse of foreign languages

All I know is Holmes, which is pronounced by French Riko as "all-mess".

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-23, 10:03

It was mostly the Chinese that got to me.

HashiriyaR32 · 2011-10-23, 11:25

unceasing misuse of foreign languages

Ranked right behind people that utterly refuse to use proper grammar/syntax/sentence structure/spelling, on my list of pet peeves.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-10-23, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Dood.....HAGANAI!!!

Maahhh~ I have issues with the character and plot development of that one as well

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Just because HnA is spiralling downwards into a pit of WTF that only Double A is worth reading now doesn't mean MF Bunko sucks...

I didn't say that, I'm just saying that I'm wary of their titles.

They have a good start but a weak follow up.

(Disclaimer: I'm aware that the only ones I know of are the ones that have Animes, I'm simply stating my observation)

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Originally Posted by larethian

while Dengeki Bunko has the largest number of publications, it doesn't mean that other bunko doesn't publish popular LNs or have hidden gems (which pure harem or moe fanseekers don't read).

Yes I do know that other publications have their own big titles like BakaTest, Haruhi, Bungaku Shōjo, Seitokai no Ichizon, Monogatari and now Haganai, I just feel that the Dengeki Bunko titles appeal to me better than MF Bunko's especially in the realm of RomCom- even the little ones like Denpa Onna and this season's C3 have elements that make them stand out better than say MM!! or Mayo Chiki.

With the exception of Roli-Kon-Basketball

(Disclaimer: I'm aware that the only ones I know of are the ones that have Animes, I'm simply stating my observation)

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-24, 08:56

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Originally Posted by HashiriyaR32

Ranked right behind people that utterly refuse to use proper grammar/syntax/sentence structure/spelling, on my list of pet peeves.

Take it up with Shakespeare before you complain to me about abnormal (?) syntax.

Also, if you're referring to me, I'd be happy to fix any grammar or spelling mistakes.

HashiriyaR32 · 2011-10-24, 09:13

Nonono, I'm most definitely NOT referring to you. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding because of what I posted.

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-24, 09:18

Ah, I'm sorry. It's just that I use a lot of ****** up syntax, and I'm one hell of a bitch about it, but you can change that if you feel it messes up the flow of the writing.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-10-25, 09:20

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yes I do know that other publications have their own big titles like BakaTest, Haruhi, Bungaku Shōjo, Seitokai no Ichizon, Monogatari and now Haganai, I just feel that the Dengeki Bunko titles appeal to me better than MF Bunko's especially in the realm of RomCom- even the little ones like Denpa Onna and this season's C3 have elements that make them stand out better than say MM!! or Mayo Chiki.

Heh...I prefer Dengeki Bunko stuff to be honest; most of the stuff I read comes from there. Although Fujimi Shobou is a serious contender too.

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AA is pretty good.

The art's improved too, I think.

AA is pretty good exactly because it keeps to the original appeal of HnA; IE the character focus of the plot.....not current novel volumes where weird shit get thrown in left and right until its one giant mess. Mess because it isn't executed well.

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-25, 10:16

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

AA is pretty good exactly because it keeps to the original appeal of HnA; IE the character focus of the plot.....not current novel volumes where weird shit get thrown in left and right until its one giant mess. Mess because it isn't executed well.

I completely agree.

Akamatsu-sensei needs to get his shit together, (he's doing a pretty good job of writing for AA though.)

kuroishinigami · 2011-10-26, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Maahhh~ I have issues with the character and plot development of that one as well

I didn't say that, I'm just saying that I'm wary of their titles.

They have a good start but a weak follow up.

(Disclaimer: I'm aware that the only ones I know of are the ones that have Animes, I'm simply stating my observation)

Yes I do know that other publications have their own big titles like BakaTest, Haruhi, Bungaku Shōjo, Seitokai no Ichizon, Monogatari and now Haganai, I just feel that the Dengeki Bunko titles appeal to me better than MF Bunko's especially in the realm of RomCom- even the little ones like Denpa Onna and this season's C3 have elements that make them stand out better than say MM!! or Mayo Chiki.

With the exception of Roli-Kon-Basketball

(Disclaimer: I'm aware that the only ones I know of are the ones that have Animes, I'm simply stating my observation)

Mm wasn' bad you know. It has a protagonist that dare to move relationship forward, who's also not an idiot who misunderstand straight confession like other harem protagonist, and two straightforward heroines that dare to be proactive against the usual dense protagonist instead of dancing around th issues. Well, the amount of physical abuse in it is a little concerning though, but it was quite good as far as harem comedy involved. Too bad the author pass away.

Back to the topic, i agree that hna is spiraling downward along with the protagonist's rise in uselessness, very much like IS. A shame, since it has so much potentia back then.

tsunade666 · 2011-10-26, 05:21

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Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

Back to the topic, i agree that hna is spiraling downward along with the protagonist's rise in uselessness, very much like IS. A shame, since it has so much potentia back then.

IS too is a lost potential but I still think Ichika's weapon are hax. Look at her big sister. She dominates the world with only a sword. The problem is the pilot

I still love IS cast minus the MC.

The problem here in HnA. No matter how hax Hysteria mode is. Bullet can't pass through wall of fire or ice or even hit shadows

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-10-26, 08:21

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Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

Mm wasn' bad you know. It has a protagonist that dare to move relationship forward, who's also not an idiot who misunderstand straight confession like other harem protagonist, and two straightforward heroines that dare to be proactive against the usual dense protagonist instead of dancing around th issues. Well, the amount of physical abuse in it is a little concerning though, but it was quite good as far as harem comedy involved. Too bad the author pass away.

MM's story is good while (the Anime) lasted, there were some issues but I've let worse things slide before. The thing is it doesn't have lasting appeal for me in the sense that once the show was over, I wasn't eager to hunt for more.

But then again, alot of these 1 cour adaptations ends that way for me.

My point is... Nothing, I'm just ranting

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Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

Back to the topic, i agree that hna is spiraling downward along with the protagonist's rise in uselessness, very much like IS. A shame, since it has so much potentia back then.

I did tell a friend of mine before that stories like IS and HnA, you can see the potential slowly dripping away...

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

IS too is a lost potential but I still think Ichika's weapon are hax. Look at her big sister. She dominates the world with only a sword. The problem is the pilot

I still love IS cast minus the MC.

The problem here in HnA. No matter how hax Hysteria mode is. Bullet can't pass through wall of fire or ice or even hit shadows

Well to me, IS and HnA have the same problem story-wise in that the 'Law' of the settings severely restricts alot of potential from the get-go.

The easiest example is the Borderline Impractical Butei Laws for HnA, and the girls-only-club for IS... Actually, the number restrict kinda puts a damper on things as well...

Then again, maybe that's just my gamer-side talking... But still, I prefer a RomCom in a serious business, then a serious business in a RomCom.

kuroishinigami · 2011-10-26, 10:27

My qualms with both series? Everything gets stronger around the protagonist while the protagonist himself reduced from someone with potential to be great into a dunce who can't do anything but watch the girls fight. I happen to like a hero who's a badass. Denseness doesn't bother me, but being a weakling does. Someone like Sagara from FMP or Touma from Index is the kind of harem protagonist I like(well, FMP's technically not a harem since only 2 girls like him, but it fulfill all the requirement with protagonist who's dense as a log and 2 girls who can't straightforwardly said they like the protagonist, at least until the plot moves forward).

IS used to be good since Ichika has a great potential to be bad-ass with a "black-horse" type of IS, but he's been reduced into spectator in later volume, just like Kinji in HnA(the HSS used to be so bad-ass ><).

Icy.Tear · 2011-10-26, 12:42

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(the HSS used to be so bad-ass ><).

Reminisce about the bygone days~~

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kuroishinigami Ava courtesy of patchy Join Date: Jan 2009	My qualms with both series? Everything gets stronger around the protagonist while the protagonist himself reduced from someone with potential to be great into a dunce who can't do anything but watch the girls fight. I happen to like a hero who's a badass. Denseness doesn't bother me, but being a weakling does. Someone like Sagara from FMP or Touma from Index is the kind of harem protagonist I like(well, FMP's technically not a harem since only 2 girls like him, but it fulfill all the requirement with protagonist who's dense as a log and 2 girls who can't straightforwardly said they like the protagonist, at least until the plot moves forward). IS used to be good since Ichika has a great potential to be bad-ass with a "black-horse" type of IS, but he's been reduced into spectator in later volume, just like Kinji in HnA(the HSS used to be so bad-ass ><).